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Hi,
I have an interesting question for your consideration and opinions. But first, here is a little history of the Boy Scouts of America.
Scouting began in England in 1907-08, created by General Robert Baden-Powell. B-P, a 50-year old bachelor at the time, and was one of the few heroes to come out of Britain's Boer War.
The Boy Scouts of America (which also uses the name Scouting/USA) was founded by Chicago publisher William Boyce on February 8, 1910.
The Boy Scout Oath is:
On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.
"A federal judge ruled that the Pentagon can no longer spend money to prepare a Virginia military base for use by a national quadrennial Boy Scout jamboree that attracts 40,000 Scouts and leaders, plus 300,000 parents and spectators. Although the jamboree is a 25-year-old institution, the ACLU persuaded an activist judge to ban it in the future because the Boy Scouts pledge to do their duty to God and country."
This is just one of many examples of the work of the ACLU.
Do you agree, or disagree, that the Boy Scouts not be allowed to have their National Jamboree on a military base because they pledge to do their duty to "God"?
The Boy Scouts have long stood for integrity, and we need more institutions to stand their ground.
Excuse me, but how can an organization stand for integrity when it violates its own credo? The Girl Scouts didn't "cave", they stood up for their values of tolerance.
I point, again to my post analyzing the Boy Scout Oath. They are damed by their own words.
I guess if eveyone says it long enough and loud enough it will finally become the law, but there is no seperation of church and state, not atleast untill the last years and the ACLU and thier demoralising policies.
All the Constitition says is that the government can not pass laws "restricting" religion and not have a national religion. ( of course they were refering to denomination but did not say that)
The Courts have ruled agaisnt what the Constitituion really says, but thier rulings have to stand "for now" hopefully we will get a court that will correct many of these errors that previous courts have made.
This is just proof that the government is making laws ( court interpertation of it) that is limiting our expression of religion by not allowing the scouts.
Sadly the those that do not wish to have morals and values in our nation have kidnaped the courts at this point. But I think it should be corrected if the majority of the American people have thier say.
I find it interesting that you talk about repeating something often enought to make it true. That's what you seem to be doing. The doctrine of Separartion of Church and State exists. You can try to say it doesn't as much as you want, but the historical facts say you are wrong.
WHY on earth do list mormons with islamic extremist, druids, etc. Are you calling us mormons hypocrits? You are obviously insane and you are using the same generalizations that people like you say you despise. Good job, calling us mormons hypocrits basically destroyed any creditibility you had with me.
You have posted a lot of emotional arguments that don't jive with the facts. But this just seems to be a paranoid and hysterical reaction. I don't read anything into Tom's post that justifies your reaction. Up to this point, while this discussion has been heated, it has remained civil. You stepped over the line with a personal attack that was totally unjustified.
Hey,
I accept your apology for misinterpreting my original remarks. It happens with us all; especially with something that is so controversial as changing American Traditions. Your last question is why this thread is so long....vilify??
The question will be here in America for quite some time; why should the majority of Americans vilify them? American morals, beliefs, and traditions are at stake. And so, I will stop going "round the mulberry bush". Changing the tune to "Bush stacking the Supreme Court" will not change the tune of the ACLU.
I'm not changing any tune. And who says that a "majority of Americans vilify them"?
You posted a note attacking the ACLU for bringing their cases before judges they expected to be friendly to their cause. That part I didn't misinterpret. My point is that the ACLU is not alone in that practice. It is a common and logical practice. It is practiced by other groups with an agenda the opposite of the ACLU. So to vilify them for a common practice is hypocrisy.
I do agree that American morals, beliefs and traditions are at stake here. But I believe the ACLU is trying to preserve them against people, like you, who seek to impose their own morals, beliefs and traditions on others simply because they are in the minority.
The fact is that Amercia was founded on INDIVIDUAL freedoms, not on the will of the majority.
You have posted a lot of emotional arguments that don't jive with the facts. But this just seems to be a paranoid and hysterical reaction. I don't read anything into Tom's post that justifies your reaction. Up to this point, while this discussion has been heated, it has remained civil. You stepped over the line with a personal attack that was totally unjustified.
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I would agree, it was irrational. I had a very long weekend and it's very easy to vent on line, especially in this forum. My apologies speedy.
Here I go again.My apologys in advanced ,any thing to do with kids and there welfare makes me a little emotional.ANYONE WHO TEACHES A CHILD HATRED, INTOLERANCE AND BIGOTRY IS IN MY BOOK GUILTY OF CHILD ABUSE!!!thats it, plain and simple.Its enough the adults are deranged bigots, why do the children have to suffer.Back in the day the boy scouts were a noble endeavor that brought pride and integrity to the neighborhood.They were widely supported by all.Now they are pawns in a politically stupid society that has forgotten KIDS COME FIRST!!!If I could I would have called "protective services" a long time ago.The next time I hear family values they better have a list or............................................
"I had a very long weekend and it's very easy to vent on line, especially in this forum. My apologies speedy."
No apologies necessary SS. And just to clear matters up.
(Question 1: What do Mormons, Islamic extremists, Scientologists, Druids and hypocrites all have in common?
Answer: They can all join the Scout Association – but humanists,(Atheists) can’t.)
was a copy and paste job off a article I found on the internet. Any religious slur was unintended and I certainly didn't mean to link Mormonism with Islamic extreamists which are indeed linked to terrorism. I should have edited that out so I might owe you a few apologies. Have a great thanksgiving, Tom
Here I go again.My apologys in advanced ,any thing to do with kids and there welfare makes me a little emotional.ANYONE WHO TEACHES A CHILD HATRED, INTOLERANCE AND BIGOTRY IS IN MY BOOK GUILTY OF CHILD ABUSE!!!thats it, plain and simple.Its enough the adults are deranged bigots, why do the children have to suffer.Back in the day the boy scouts were a noble endeavor that brought pride and integrity to the neighborhood.They were widely supported by all.Now they are pawns in a politically stupid society that has forgotten KIDS COME FIRST!!!If I could I would have called "protective services" a long time ago.The next time I hear family values they better have a list or............................................
I am sick of hateful, intolerant attacks on Christians, the Boy Scouts, and anyone else that dissents from homosexuality being normal and an acceptable life style. Fortunately the constitution protects our rights to practice our religion and say what we believe.
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