Hi,
I have an interesting question for your consideration and opinions. But first, here is a little history of the Boy Scouts of America.

Scouting began in England in 1907-08, created by General Robert Baden-Powell. B-P, a 50-year old bachelor at the time, and was one of the few heroes to come out of Britain's Boer War.
The Boy Scouts of America (which also uses the name Scouting/USA) was founded by Chicago publisher William Boyce on February 8, 1910.

The Boy Scout Oath is:
On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

"A federal judge ruled that the Pentagon can no longer spend money to prepare a Virginia military base for use by a national quadrennial Boy Scout jamboree that attracts 40,000 Scouts and leaders, plus 300,000 parents and spectators. Although the jamboree is a 25-year-old institution, the ACLU persuaded an activist judge to ban it in the future because the Boy Scouts pledge to do their duty to God and country."

The above quoted from: http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2005/s...psrsept05.html

This is just one of many examples of the work of the ACLU.
Do you agree, or disagree, that the Boy Scouts not be allowed to have their National Jamboree on a military base because they pledge to do their duty to "God"?

ScottGem

Excuse me, but how can an organization stand for integrity when it violates its own credo? The Girl Scouts didn't "cave", they stood up for their values of tolerance.

I point, again to my post analyzing the Boy Scout Oath. They are damed by their own words.

ScottGem

I find it interesting that you talk about repeating something often enought to make it true. That's what you seem to be doing. The doctrine of Separartion of Church and State exists. You can try to say it doesn't as much as you want, but the historical facts say you are wrong.

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ScottGem

You have posted a lot of emotional arguments that don't jive with the facts. But this just seems to be a paranoid and hysterical reaction. I don't read anything into Tom's post that justifies your reaction. Up to this point, while this discussion has been heated, it has remained civil. You stepped over the line with a personal attack that was totally unjustified.

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ScottGem

I'm not changing any tune. And who says that a "majority of Americans vilify them"?

You posted a note attacking the ACLU for bringing their cases before judges they expected to be friendly to their cause. That part I didn't misinterpret. My point is that the ACLU is not alone in that practice. It is a common and logical practice. It is practiced by other groups with an agenda the opposite of the ACLU. So to vilify them for a common practice is hypocrisy.

I do agree that American morals, beliefs and traditions are at stake here. But I believe the ACLU is trying to preserve them against people, like you, who seek to impose their own morals, beliefs and traditions on others simply because they are in the minority.

The fact is that Amercia was founded on INDIVIDUAL freedoms, not on the will of the majority.

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SSchultz0956

I would agree, it was irrational. I had a very long weekend and it's very easy to vent on line, especially in this forum. My apologies speedy.

talaniman

Here I go again.My apologys in advanced ,any thing to do with kids and there welfare makes me a little emotional.ANYONE WHO TEACHES A CHILD HATRED, INTOLERANCE AND BIGOTRY IS IN MY BOOK GUILTY OF CHILD ABUSE!!!thats it, plain and simple.Its enough the adults are deranged bigots, why do the children have to suffer.Back in the day the boy scouts were a noble endeavor that brought pride and integrity to the neighborhood.They were widely supported by all.Now they are pawns in a politically stupid society that has forgotten KIDS COME FIRST!!!If I could I would have called "protective services" a long time ago.The next time I hear family values they better have a list or............................................

speedball1

"I had a very long weekend and it's very easy to vent on line, especially in this forum. My apologies speedy."

No apologies necessary SS. And just to clear matters up.
(Question 1: What do Mormons, Islamic extremists, Scientologists, Druids and hypocrites all have in common?

Answer: They can all join the Scout Association – but humanists,(Atheists) can’t.)
was a copy and paste job off a article I found on the internet. Any religious slur was unintended and I certainly didn't mean to link Mormonism with Islamic extreamists which are indeed linked to terrorism. I should have edited that out so I might owe you a few apologies. Have a great thanksgiving, Tom

labman

I am sick of hateful, intolerant attacks on Christians, the Boy Scouts, and anyone else that dissents from homosexuality being normal and an acceptable life style. Fortunately the constitution protects our rights to practice our religion and say what we believe.