Black President

clinton mccoy · Feb 5, 2008, 09:31 AM

Is America ready for a black president?

speechlesstx · Feb 8, 2008, 09:48 AM

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Wondergirl agrees: Ok, c'mon. Just campaign and vote for the guy. He's head and shoulders over the others, literally as well as philosophically.

Why? What has he done to deserve my vote? What has he done to deserve your vote for "leader of the free world?"

clinton mccoy · Feb 8, 2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tomder55

one thing is for sure . at this point substance has not defined this race

Would a white man who only had local political experience and then less than a full term in the Senate have a chance at being the party nominee ?

Would Hillary be a legit nominee if she was not the wife of a former President ?

Heck ;would a 71 year old women be in consideration for the job ?

I will repeat what I have said ;I read Obama's latest book . That is where I found his policy positions. Beyond the constant pointing out that in his view Washington doesn't work well (a quick impression no doubt from his apx one year in office experience before he began penning it. ) ; there was nothing that he wrote that wasn't right out of the Democrat talking points.

Now there is an interesting endorsement in last months Atlantic Magazine by Andrew Sullivan Goodbye to All That: Why Obama Matters

My impression was that he thought that Obama's campaign is such a symbolic break from the past ,that the symbolism trumps the substance.

Would a white man who only had local political experience and then less than a full term in the Senate have a chance at being the party nominee ?
I guess that would depend on what kind of message he is sending. Are you trying to say that you don't need a message to get the Kenned's on your side. You don't need a message to win the majority of states and delegets? Just maybe these people are reading something more than his book. Or all you have to be is black( now that is funny!) ?

Dark_crow · Feb 8, 2008, 10:03 AM

Good article Tom, in it I read:

“Consider this hypothetical. It’s November 2008. A young Pakistani Muslim is watching television and sees that this man—Barack Hussein Obama—is the new face of America. In one simple image, America’s soft power has been ratcheted up not a notch, but a logarithm. A brown-skinned man whose father was an African, who grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii, who attended a majority-Muslim school as a boy, is now the alleged enemy. If you wanted the crudest but most effective weapon against the demonization of America that fuels Islamist ideology, Obama’s face gets close. It proves them wrong about what America is in ways no words can.”

I agree he would be a crude weapon but his thinking that it would be effective shows the author’s ignorance of the situation in the Middle-East.

rater900 · Feb 8, 2008, 10:04 AM

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clinton mccoy · Feb 8, 2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Why? What has he done to deserve my vote? What has he done to deserve your vote for "leader of the free world?"

He might not deserve your vote, in your pinion. He gets my vote because I feel he can relate to me.( that is one but not all my reasons) I am not here to convert people just state why I am voting for him. I hope other people take the same stance.

Wondergirl · Feb 8, 2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Why? What has he done to deserve my vote? What has he done to deserve your vote for "leader of the free world?"

Two major "things," paraphrased from obsidianwings.blog.com --

Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored really good legislation on topics that aren't wildly sexy, but do matter (e.g., lead paint controls, nonproliferation, Avian flu, regulating genetic testing, reducing medical malpractice suits the right way, vets' health care). His bills tend to have the following features: they are good and thoughtful bills that try to solve real problems; they are in general not terribly flashy; and they tend to focus on achieving solutions acceptable to all concerned, not by compromising on principle, but by genuinely trying to craft a solution that everyone can get behind.

His legislation is often proposed with Republican co-sponsorship: he is bipartisan in a good way. Obama tries to find people, both Democrats and Republicans, who actually care about a particular issue enough to try to get the policy right, and then he works with them. This does not involve compromising on principle. It does, however, involve preferring getting legislation passed to having a spectacular battle. (This is especially true when one is in the minority party, especially in this Senate: the chances that Obama's bills will actually become law increase dramatically when he has Republican co-sponsors.)

Dark_crow · Feb 8, 2008, 10:26 AM

Interesting take:

“Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, founder and president of the non-profit Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny, or BOND, told Cybercast News Service that he doesn't want the first African-American president to hold values that are detrimental to the black community.

"Abortion is genocide," Peterson said. "It has had a greater affect on the African American community than slavery itself. For Barack Obama to support abortion shows a lack of love for the black community and especially for the unborn."

Childress agreed that just being African-American doesn't make Obama the right person to be president.

"Martin Luther King said of his daughter that he didn't want her to be judged by the color of her skin, but by the content of her character," said Childress. "People are applauding Obama because of the color of his skin and not his character."”

Obama's Abortion Stance Hurts Blacks, Say Pro-Life Experts -- 01/08/2008

NeedKarma · Feb 8, 2008, 10:31 AM

Why Republicans like Obama and what it means

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Barack Obama is not only popular among Democrats, he's also an appealing figure to many Republicans. Former GOP House member Joe Scarborough, now a host on MSNBC, reports that after every important Obama speech, he is inundated with e-mails praising the speech — with most of them coming from Republicans.

Why Republicans like Obama and what it means | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

Dark_crow · Feb 8, 2008, 10:41 AM

There is and always has been cross-over. That’s nothing new NK

NeedKarma · Feb 8, 2008, 10:43 AM

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There is and always has been cross-over. That’s nothing new NK

I hope some of those that crossover don't think that abortion is genocide and worse than slavery for black people.