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susan4help · Mar 25, 2008, 11:53 AM

The vice principals at my son's school are interviewing other students to find out if my son is selling marijuana to other students. My son is denying that he sells or uses drugs. They found nothing on my son, but found drugs on the other kids. I gave my son a drug test which came out negative. I also searched his room and personal belonging because as a concerned parent, I want to know if there is a problem. I found NOTHING!! The problem I have with this is that when they interview the students, they automatically put my son's name out there. They don't ask the students to give names, they just state my son's name. For example (no real names used). Jack, we understand that JOE SMITH is selling drugs. What do you know about JOE SMITH selling marijuana to Paul? They are automatically accusing my son with no proof. My questions is "What can I do about this?"

ScottGem · Mar 25, 2008, 11:56 AM

Probably nothing. However, if this came to court your son's attorney could exclude or demolish such testimony. If you son is exonerated, you might have a slander case against them.

twinkiedooter · Mar 25, 2008, 04:22 PM

Just because someone does not do drugs or have them in their possession does NOT mean that they don't deal in drugs. How naïve of you to think this. The school just may have more information about this situation than they are letting on about. Don't jump to conclusions just yet that your son is a little angel. He just may have a nasty surprise for you to discover. I doubt a school would "finger" an innocent student. This is just my opinion on this.

susan4help · Mar 25, 2008, 04:55 PM

Thanks for your opinion. I'm not being naïve about anything nor do I think my son is "a little angel" (although I have to say I've never had any problems with him)... which is why I gave my son a drug test and went through his stuff... because I am a concerned parent, and we don't know what our kids may be doing. Again... the problem I have is that I don't think it's fair for the school to put his name out there without any evidence. If they want to investigate, I think they should let the kids tell what they know. Not say "Oh, we think that JOE SMITH is selling drugs, what do you know?" They could address the issue like "Do you know of anyone selling drugs?", without putting a name out there. And by the way, the kids they questioned said they never heard of my son doing or selling anything. It will all come out in the end. By the way, the day they accused my son of selling drugs, they had the drug dogs at the school and that's how the other kids got caught with drugs.. I would think there would be some trace of something if my son was doing it. That's just my opinion.

Fr_Chuck · Mar 25, 2008, 06:58 PM

Is the School resourse officer doing this, or do they have teachers or staff doing this ?
As a previous police officer, yes we often asked informants about one name and for info on that one person, They would not be looking at him unless they had some tip ( even if wrong) that he was doing something.
Now the bad thing, to the school, even if they can't find anything on him they will always think he is but that they just could not prove it.

I do want to say that your doing the drug test and searching his room was doing real good. If you did not look some of the more common hiding places.
1. taped to the bottom of draws
2. in air vents with string tied to pull them back where they can reach them.
3. if their bed has a hollow post, in the bed post
4. in pocket of some piece of clothes in the closet
5. in a older or dress shoe ( not used often)
6 in a game or video case.
7. in the back of a old cell phone or radio

oneguyinohio · Mar 25, 2008, 07:27 PM

If your son hangs out with those other kids, it might be a matter of guilt by association, especially if he seems overly popular in that crowd or has plenty of extra cash. I don't know what he looks like or anything, either, but sometimes that plays into the suspicions that arise.

I think your great to be taking the actions you are as far as having your son tested and the searches as well so he knows that you are no push over and that he won't be able to keep secrets from you.

The results of the test are certainly in your son's favor. Depending on the type of test, that would seem like he has never even been around others smoking.

Not sure what other activities may have led you to any suspicions? How are his grades and behaviors?

I've seen some hiding places in cars that were pretty creative, as well as in a hollowed out large book such as a dictionary used to hide a stash.

If they have major suspicions on him, chances are they will keep watching.

excon · Mar 26, 2008, 05:19 AM

Hello Susan:

Yeah, the school want to be cop doesn't know how to conduct LEGAL interrogations, so he actually should leave well enough alone. ScottGem is right. If any accusations come of this, you can demolish them and you may have recourse against this jerk.

Since apparently nothing has happened to your son, there is nothing you can do to stop this guy from talking to other students. If anything DOES happen, though, like a suspension, let me know. I'll tell you how to STOP him.

excon

susan4help · Mar 26, 2008, 10:12 AM

They are considering expelling him from the school. We're in the process of this. Thanks so much for everyone's input.

docdeblee · Mar 26, 2008, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by susan4help

The vice principals at my son's school are interviewing other students to find out if my son is selling marijuana to other students. My son is denying that he sells or uses drugs. They found nothing on my son, but found drugs on the other kids. I gave my son a drug test which came out negative. I also searched his room and personal belonging because as a concerned parent, I want to know if there is a problem. I found NOTHING!!! The problem I have with this is that when they interview the students, they automatically put my son's name out there. They don't ask the students to give names, they just state my son's name. For example (no real names used). Jack, we understand that JOE SMITH is selling drugs. What do you know about JOE SMITH selling marijuana to Paul? They are automatically accusing my son with no proof. My questions is "What can I do about this?"

Hi, If it was me, I would have a meeting with the persons in charge accusing my child, and find out what their basis is for accusing him. You then will either see why they are accusing or show them how foolish they are. As far as your child being "labled" at school, it is easy and not too costly, to have the police do a polygraph test , then take the results either to a counselor for help for your child or the school to prove him true.

ScottGem · Mar 26, 2008, 10:29 AM

Ok, if they expel him, you have a whopper of a suit against them. Probably enough to send him to a private school. If you know for a fact that the other kids denied he was involved and that they have no proof he was involved then they have no grounds for expelling or even suspending him.

P.S. forget the lie detector test. It would be expensive and is not conclusive. That's why its not allowed in courts.

smileyman22336 · Mar 27, 2008, 04:57 PM

Law enforcers and everyone else who thinks they can label people and put them under the law, without abiding to the law themselves suck, and your son is innocent. Hell with them, you are in control do what you want. Keep strong faith in GOD (Eloah) (Allah), and these yahooligans will be meaningless.

Fr_Chuck · Mar 27, 2008, 05:20 PM

Expel him for what, for people saying he is doing something,
While I believe they have a legal right to investigate things they can not act without evidence. So there has to be some proof somewhere if they are talking about expelling him ( did the school tell YOU this)

susan4help · Mar 27, 2008, 09:44 PM

Yes, they did expel him. They brought their "exhibits" to the hearing. They had his grades, a picture of the bag of marijuana, and they had statements from other students. Some students state that they know of nothing, and then two other students say that he sold the marijuana, and their statements contradict each other. The statement from the student that got caught, "Paul", says that "i met a kid who told me he would give me some weed". Now, "kid" is scratched out and my son's full name is put underneath it. The writing looks different but not sure if it's because they wrote smaller, or maybe someone else wrote it in, or maybe they told him to put in that name. "Paul" also states that he bought the marijuana before school in the bathroom. The other statement from another students says that "he (meaning my son) sold "he (meaning my son) sold " the marijuana in the hallway during 3rd period". Which one is it? Before school or third period? Also, from what I understand now is that " the marijuana in the hallway during 3rd period" got caught and was told that my son snitched on him. Now, why would my son snitch on him if he sold it to him? Doesn't make sense!! Maybe I'm not seeing the full picture here, but something just isn't right. Also, their request for expulsion was on the 14th, and they were getting statements as late as the 25th. I don't know what to think.

JudyKayTee · Mar 28, 2008, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by susan4help

Yes, they did expel him. They brought their "exhibits" to the hearing. They had his grades, a picture of the bag of marijuana, and they had statements from other students. Some students state that they know of nothing, and then two other students say that he sold the marijuana, and their statements contradict each other. The statement from the student that got caught, "Paul", says that "i met a kid who told me he would give me some weed". Now, "kid" is scratched out and my son's full name is put underneath it. The writing looks different but not sure if it's because they wrote smaller, or maybe someone else wrote it in, or maybe they told him to put in that name. "Paul" also states that he bought the marijuana before school in the bathroom. The other statement from another students says that "he (meaning my son) sold "Paul" the marijuana in the hallway during 3rd period". Which one is it? Before school or third period? Also, from what I understand now is that "Paul" got caught and was told that my son snitched on him. Now, why would my son snitch on him if he sold it to him? Doesn't make sense!!! Maybe I'm not seeing the full picture here, but something just isn't right. Also, their request for expulsion was on the 14th, and they were getting statements as late as the 25th. I don't know what to think.

I would get the advice of an Attorney before this becomes part of your son's permanent record.

excon · Mar 28, 2008, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by susan4help

Yes, they did expel him. They brought their "exhibits" to the hearing. They had his grades, a picture of the bag of marijuana, and they had statements from other students.

Hello again, susan:

A "picture" of the dope?? A Picture?? This guy is out of his tree!!

You need help. I would hire a lawyer TODAY - a BIG, BAD, MEAN ONE.

excon

ScottGem · Mar 28, 2008, 06:29 AM

Well like I said before. I think your son has his college education secure. At the least, you should be able to afford for him to go to a private school to finish his secondary education. Because you have a whopper of a law suit.

I would be interviewing lawyers all day today. I think you will find them salivating to take this case.

JudyKayTee · Mar 28, 2008, 06:37 AM

[QUOTE=excon]Hello again, susan:

A "picture" of the dope?? A Picture?? This guy is out of his tree!!

You need help. I would hire a lawyer TODAY - a BIG, BAD, MEAN ONE.

Was going to greenie you but apparently have given you a greenie recently and so...

This is called So You Want to be In Law Enforcement and Carry a Badge Policeman Syndrome.

susan4help · Mar 28, 2008, 10:11 AM

Yes, a picture of the dope. I want to make sure that I have all the facts straight myself, because I don't want to be blind-sided by something. With all the evidence presented so far, I believe my son. I hope he's innocent. I still don't understand what grounds they had to expel him. Picture, contradicting statements?? My son has to attend a Juvenile Justice school now. I believe that yes, if you're doing something wrong, you deserve punishment, but where's the proof.

JudyKayTee · Mar 28, 2008, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by susan4help

Yes, a picture of the dope. I want to make sure that I have all the facts straight myself, because I don't want to be blind-sided by something. With all the evidence presented so far, I believe my son. I hope he's innocent. I still don't understand what grounds they had to expell him. Picture, contradicting statements??? My son has to attend a Juvenile Justice school now. I believe that yes, if you're doing something wrong, you deserve punishment, but where's the proof.

Didn't they have to give you some sort of write up about why he has to go to an alternative school?

They also should have furnished you with a copy of the school district's policy.

excon · Mar 28, 2008, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by susan4help

I want to make sure that I have all the facts straight myself, because I don't want to be blind-sided by something.

Hello again, susan:

The rub is, YOU probably CAN'T get all the facts... As a matter of fact, some of the facts you're going to need to SUE them, MAY be destroyed the longer you screw around.

If you hired the BIG, BAD, MEAN lawyer I suggested, HE'LL get the facts! That's HIS job. And, maybe he'll get your son back in school WITH his reputation in tact... That's ultimately what's important.

Stop fiddling around.

excon