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Old Jan 24, 2005, 06:15 PM
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Martial Arts and Physics?

Are there any books out there that treat martial arts from a physics point of view? Even better- Are there any teachers, professors, or instructors out there willing to collaborate on a book on the subject?

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Old May 25, 2005, 04:06 AM   #11  
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Sorry, I won't continue arguing.
Either you don't understand, or you don't want to.
Either way, it does not make any sense to me discussing any further.
Bye.
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Old May 25, 2005, 06:59 AM   #12  
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Sorry, I won't continue arguing.
Either you don't understand, or you don't want to.
Either way, it does not make any sense to me discussing any further.
Bye.
I agree with you. Plus he seems to have an awful lot of free time to write lenghty wordy answers. Maybe he's trolling?
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Old May 25, 2005, 08:59 AM   #13  
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I really hope he is trolling, especially if you look at his posts in the other threads.
I would be worried about his mental health if he wasn't.

But then, why would you troll with so many words? Only to provoke you would not need so much text...
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Old May 25, 2005, 09:45 AM   #14  
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let me try to explain with more math. einstein said e=mc^2.
when i take my equation that you doubt as true, and i add the antimatter to the matter only i get e=mv^2 because 1/2 + 1/2 = 1.
e=mc^2=mv^2, since einstein said c is the velocity of the constant (the speed of light) , and in my more general equation any velocity could be used, the two equations are exactly the same.
if you doubt Einstein then you doubt me, and my equation.
once again my purpose for my equation is to show that physical energy without converting the matter into non matter is half of the energy in einstein's equation, because you have no antimatter present in the equation, furthermore i just proved einstein's equation correct, as a special case of my equation. so doubt modern science, and einstein if you want, but he and i are still correct. have a nice day. look again at the math.

i am not sure what your internet term of 'trolling' means? but i am sure it is not an intellectually honest thing to do, from the way it was mentioned. and i am intellectually and academically honest.

so to review, what i said is not a totally new thing, it is just the next step, i developed it from calculus, and the definitions of physics, and it states that "when you do not convert to a non matter state that the energy involved is half the amount of when you do convert matter (with antimatter present) to a non matter state".

hopefully you can see that einsteins equation of e=mc^2 is right, and know enough math to know i have to be right also, because mathematically they are the same. furthermore hopefully, the next time, you will not doubt anyone who goes the next step in science, and math when you encounter them.
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Old Jul 15, 2005, 11:50 AM   #15  
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I am by no means a physics expert but I recently completed a course in Newtonion physics specifically to learn the formulas necessary to understand the mechanics of the Karate punch. I am a Black belt and have been teaching for three years now and I understood that the power of martial arts had to be grounded in physics (otherwise it would have to be magic and I don't believe in magic) but I wanted to be able to calculate the dynamics and then test my calculations. I timed the punch on several students and then using the length of the arm as the distance calculated the acceleration of the movement and then by definition was able to calculate the deceleration at the point of impact. This allowed me to calculate the energy of the movement. I then used the square inches of the striking surface (in my style it is the first two knuckles and thus approx one-two square inches) and the energy of impact to calculate the power (pounds per square inch) of the punch. Unfortunately impact meters are not commonly available (even in a boxing school contrary to "Rocky") so I was only able to verify the acceleration using a motion detector. I did accurately predict the acceleration based on time and distance so the rest of the equations should be accurate as well. I received an A on my thesis so I'm guessing there were no flaws in my math.

There are several books out there on the physics of the martial arts. Some deal mostly with momentum (useless to me because my style is not a momentum style) but there are others that deal with non momentum calculations. I refrained from reading them because I did not want to influence my hypothesis.

Nothing fancy here just the nuts and bolts of Newtonion Physics.
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Topic Review answer

aliann,

do you agree with what i have said? you have done some work on physics yourself, so do you see the basics of what i am saying?

secondly karate punches are not the only type, and the smaller the surface area the more pounds per square inch for the same amount of applied force.
a timing of several students all in the same style does not even compare styles that in general are slower or faster to the basic movements in your styles. styles can be hard. soft. hard/soft (some combination of in-between or contrasted -some movements hard. and some soft).

it seems to me that you are not considering the movement of the hips, shoulders, legs, length of stepping forward, or the arc distance of angular velocity when pivoting, in your calcutations of distance moved.

you think that in your style of karate you have no momentum?
p=mv. hello. momentum equals mass times velocity.
did you say you do physics? so did you think your mass was infinitely small or was your velocity infinitely small? a martial art in which has no momentum, would not deliver effective techniques, would it? you would hit them and they would feel nothing. no impulse function.

my formulas were not fancy just correct.
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Old Dec 9, 2005, 01:27 AM   #17  
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Hi

Perhaps you all should take a look at the following link to clear up any ambiguity. We need only concern ourselves with Newtonian physics here.

http://www.pims.math.ca/pi/issue6/page09-11.pdf

The above articlebreaks down the various aspects of a Karate Punch. The references used are from the Americal Journal of Physics Vol. 43 No. 10 and Vol 51 No. 9.

Or for general physics from Newtonian Mechanics to Quantum Mechanics

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/hframe.html

James
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Old Dec 9, 2005, 04:01 PM   #18  
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physics concepts

some people understand the basics.

and some people go on with a belief in whatever.

you can only choose if you are smart enough to understand I am correct, or to believe whatever others tell you; unless, you choose to actually think for yourself then you can make up your own mind, and tell us what theories or concepts you believe apply. so if you have an idea what is correct based upon your research, and original theories please explain. I simply quoted the greats of physics, and the equations that define all things, merely in my own humble way. i proved such laws are self contained, and self valid. if that is a circular argument i did not create it. i merely observe.

if you do not believe me, that is your choice. self ignorance is possible.
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Old Dec 22, 2005, 11:56 AM   #19  
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Don't feed the troll.
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Old Dec 22, 2005, 09:24 PM   #20  
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rude opinions

it is always sad when people choose to be rude.

sometimes they are rude for different reasons, but ..

what can be done. let the answers speak for themselves.

Have a good day.
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