Relationship w/ a Philippine girl over webcam

Originally Posted by reallywondering

I'm really needing some thoughts, input, advice... Anything on this decision I'm trying to make.

I have met this 20 year old girl from the Philippines and we really like each other. She says love, but I say we need to meet first. She agrees we need to meet. A good idea?

I'm a 26 year old from the US and we met on a sexcam site. Pretty embarrassing, but I joined and then saw her online that day and was just taken away by her beauty. On these sites you buy credits to take the girls into private shows where they do what you want.

Well I bought credits and took her into a private show and we just continued to chat. I came back the next day to talk more. For a few hours again. She gave me her yahoo messenger name after that.

Now we talk online every day. Sometimes quite a few hours at once. This is all while she is at work. No computer at home. We both have webcams and use them all the time to see each other. We have exchanged phone numbers, address and she tried to call me the other day. Expensive for her to call or txt, but I tried to call her back, which is what she asked, but my phone doesn't do international.

Ok, sorry this is wordy, I know. Since we met, her b-day came, so I sent money for a cell phone, plus some extra. Then she bought two phones!? What ever. Now one is cracked and she gave to her sister, And the other is lost from something that happened on her birthday. Ill spare the details.

Well, she really want another phone. This is kind of sounding like a scam to me. Anyways, She tells me about her medical problems and the high cost of meds, but never ask for money for that. She only wants a cheap 60 phone.

Think this is a legit thing? And, I've met online on webcam, someone who is supposedly her best friend from 5 years old, also her older sister I've met on webcam. I've chatted to another friend w/o a cam.

This girl has told me stuff about how poor the family is. When she was young her house did not have a door she told me. She really hasn't asked for much and has told me so much about herself. She says she is a virgin and is waiting for marriage. Possibly not the best thing to say to get a 26 year old to come visit you.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to go meet this girl real soon. We joke about marriage and stuff like that. I really like her and she seems to love me. I'm thinking I'm going to take a month off and go rent an apartment in Angeles City. 20 minutes from her home. She says she will be at my side the whole time and wants to stay at the apartment. I think this apartment will be like luxury to her. We have plans to do many different things while I'm there. If I visit.

On the cam site, many times, I see her come in the next day in the same clothes as the day before and then she is changed after she gets there. Like she uses clothes provided by her job. She seems real legit to me. Am I being blinded by what seems to me could be love?

Also, While she is at work she hardly gets any customers, she basically ignores them while chatting to me. I try to get her to work harder and maybe show off her body some. She just keeps her clothes on while the other girls at the very least get down to panties and bra. You know?

Whats everyone feelings on this? A good idea to meet her? She seems amazing.

BTW, I choose the Marriage catagory because I've seen a Q on the Philippines here already and I really would like to marry this girl if she is what she says she is.

Originally Posted by mariecruz

For the record, the guy who made that website is a nutcase. A lot of bloggers have already dismissed his claims about a scam that never happened. Here are some of them

Mayen’s Story on Alleged Scam | A Filipina Mom Blogger
Captain's Log: hospitalscams.blogspot.com = Severe Case of Psychosis
Philippine Hospital Scam - Exposed As A Hoax! | Fil Am Forum Report
Captain's Log: When the one who cried wolf, turns out to be the wolf itself
Mayen Betita, A Filipina Who Learned a Painful Lesson » Filipina Images » Mayen Betita, A Filipina Who Learned a Painful Lesson
Was there a scam? - Part 2
Lalaine's World: Foreigners... deeply inlove with Filipinas
Siopao Heaven: Foreigner needs psychological treatment
It's my Life!!!: hospitalscams.blogspot.com + Severe Case of Psychosis = entertainment!
Captain's Log: A Funny Message from Tim Cumper

Forum discussion:
http://www.theworldoffilipinas.com/f...1&#entry130321

This British man has been trolling the internet and tarnishing the names of the bloggers who have defended the poor Filipina girl. Please be guided accordingly.

As for the answer to the original question above, avoid sending money as much as possible to avoid being scammed.

Originally Posted by ellumbra

@ "mariecruz" - your whole argument seems to pivot, precariously, on the single point that is consensus of opinion. As if, with regards to truth and justice, mob-rule is a worthy judge, quantity always superior to quality.
There are countless people, many who are not connected in any way to the Internet or blogging, who have already deemed my story perfectly possible.
The fact that these people are not inspired or motivated to add written endorsements, merely reveals how obvious and final their verdict is. They could not be bothered, it is already signed, sealed and delivered.
Even yourself, you have allowed room in your assessment for the possibility of changing your mind, were I to find "some distinguished or long time blogger or some news website" to endorse the story - which uncovers your own uncertainty, despite the enthusiastic propaganda you are distributing.
The fact is, I have not bothered to appeal to anyone. I do not consider further endorsement necessary. Besides, to satisfy your criteria, these would have to be Philippine bloggers, or a Philippine news website, yes?
Quite simply, because of the ambiguous nature of the story, no-one, other than myself would be prepared to commit themselves to a concrete decision - in writing.
But that does nothing to lessen the overpowering weight of suspicious circumstances surrounding these events. Suspicion which appears everywhere, around every twist and turn - as each new piece was added to the jigsaw - the weight of evidence, all be it "soft" evidence, falls firmly on the side of suspicion.
Remember, we are in the arena of deception - hard evidence is extremely unlikey - the recording of the fake scar was fortuitous, so evidence can only be deduced through analysis of behaviour, inconsistencies, proven lies, evidence of subterfuge and further deceit - all of which is in abundance.
Conversely - evidence to support your version of events is non existent - especially coming from yourself - who knew nothing at all about these events from August 2007 until you read my story this year. Your collaboration in producing the video interview of the girl as a propaganda excercise just demonstrates how firmly you are embroiled in the whole culture of scamming by offering your allegiance & support to the criminals who do it.

Just as the video recording which I made secretly of the girl revealing her "scar" vindicates all previous suspicions - so do all previous suspicions point to the likelyhood that the video does indeed contain a fake scar.
And it is all there - the frames with the smudging - in all their fragile, ephemeral glory - blink and you could well miss them - but you see, she didn't know that it was being recorded - she thought she was just putting on a live show.
But it is there.
Yet still you deny it - not having ever seen it.
That is wishful thinking in the extreme - or something rather more sinister.

So, here are some questions for all you "hoax theorists" to contemplate on - what would you say if you saw the video for yourselves?
What would you say if you observed the smudging of the ink for yourselves?
Would you then deny your own eyesight?
Where would all your fancy excuses be then?
Where would your loyalties lie then?
Would you just disappear into silence?
Would you show any contempt at all for the activities of these criminals?
Have you any concern at all for the actual truth, or is it just that you despise the way this has been publicised?

It was only publicised because of the apathy and the duplicity of the people directly involved - because of their ruthless, hostile and manipulative denial - for many months.
It was only publicised to help prevent this from happening to anybody else.

It is only wishful thinking, national bias or artificial mobilisation - which could allow anyone to think differently or make an alternative conclusion from my story.

Which of those applies to you "Mariecruz"?
And you have the audacity to say here "avoid sending money as much as possible to avoid being scammed" - proving to the world that you have two faces - both wearing a sickly, sycophantic grin.

ellumbra (the nutcase)

Originally Posted by ellumbra

. . . and this proves that they're all sending emails to each other - with the URL of my latest post - hatching their next devious little campaign plan.

ellumbra (the paranoid nutcase - whose dad's a policeman!!!)

Originally Posted by ellumbra

@ ylaira - I would like to gently make some corrections, OK with you?
The people I am referring to - exclusively - not generally - are the people who are here placing propaganda. They have been around on other websites. They claim to be impartial but that is far from the truth - they are part of an orchestrated campaign to discredit my story about a scam attempt that happened to me last year - and they happen to be all connected with the Philippines.
That is not a racist point of view - it is an accurate statement of the truth.

They and others have been trying to suggest that what I have written is racist - which it certainly isn't - it is about a specific few people only. Insinuating that it is racist is just a cheap tactic to inflame passions, to garner unjust support for their propaganda - from people who subscribe - without thinking, without studying the details, without being thoroughly informed, without impartiality, without a passionate concern for the truth before anything else - because their sense of national pride has been confronted. It seems to work - there are many people about like that.
Their ranks are swelling every day - I urge you not to enlist.

If I were to call you paranoid, psychotic, wicked etc. & didn't introduce who I was, never informed you of my motives, never discussed it with you - rationally & impartially - and then got in touch with all my mates and colleagues - urging them to join in - then twisting every word you wrote to portray you as a racist to inflame the situation even more - all this time remaining perfectly anonymous - that would most certainly be bullying - cowardly bullying - only possible thanks to the Internet.
These people would not dare to do it in real life. They are cowards - afraid of the truth.

But - I am not generalising, there is no need to presume that I was referring to you - I have never met you - therefore - no real need for you to remind me that you are not defensive - unless by saying "we" you were in some way - generalising?


None of this is directly connected to the original poster of this thread.

Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

Thread closed, old thread to start with, poster who has had all of their posts deleted was hijacking thread.