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I have a question for those against gay marriage because it is a sin. I'm being honest, I'd really like honest responses, I really am confused about this.
You (the collective you) say gays should not be allowed to marry because being gay is a sin. What does that sin have to do with marriage? There are a lot of sins - and no one else is forbidden to marry because of their sin. Murderers, adulterers, liars; they all still have the right to marry. Is the "gay sin" worse than those other sins, and that's why they aren't allowed to marry?
I just really don't understand the logic. I thought you were supposed to hate the sin, not the sinner; and if that's so, why are gays given unequal treatment in this regard? To me (and maybe I'm missing something) if one's only reason for disapproving of gay marriage is that it is a "sin" that person should also be against liars, adulterers, murderers, etc getting married because those are also "sins". If one is NOT against those others getting married, then it indicates to me there is prejudice against gays, and the objection is to gays, not to sinners. And then we get into ugly words like racism and judging...
I'm willing to admit I might be missing something; maybe no one has explained their argument fully enough for me to "get it". But this is how I see the logic - and it just doesn't work. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
I'm sorry I wasnt making this the point from the beginning... I, nor any true follower of the Bible and Christ, will ever tell a homosexual that they are any less of a person for being gay. In reality, thats the common misconception about sin altogether, is that with or without certain ones you are a better or worse person because of them.
All have sinned, every one and for us to think that abstaining from 'the majority' of sin makes us any better, makes us actually worse, and right in with the brood of vipers that Jesus himself condemned.
The reason that any true Christian would not approve of gay marriage, is because its putting the sinner, (just like any person) into a situation that they are bound to. Its making it even more difficult to turn from your sins of the past and follow God (repentance) because you are not only emotionally bound, which God can break in a moment, its called deliverance, but legally.
Im not going to use the "oh Ive got friends that are gay so I MUST not have a problem with it" thing. Psh.
I sin, we all sin, and we all need God, I just wouldnt want someone who God LOVES and created to commune with Him to have any more of a difficult time to come to Him by legality.
I'm sorry I wasnt making this the point from the beginning... I, nor any true follower of the Bible and Christ, will ever tell a homosexual that they are any less of a person for being gay. In reality, thats the common misconception about sin altogether, is that with or without certain ones you are a better or worse person because of them.
All have sinned, every one and for us to think that abstaining from 'the majority' of sin makes us any better, makes us actually worse, and right in with the brood of vipers that Jesus himself condemned.
The reason that any true Christian would not approve of gay marriage, is because its putting the sinner, (just like any person) into a situation that they are bound to. Its making it even more difficult to turn from your sins of the past and follow God (repentance) because you are not only emotionally bound, which God can break in a moment, its called deliverance, but legally.
Im not going to use the "oh Ive got friends that are gay so I MUST not have a problem with it" thing. Psh.
I sin, we all sin, and we all need God, I just wouldnt want someone who God LOVES and created to commune with Him to have any more of a difficult time to come to Him by legality.
Well, that certainly isn't the response I was expecting - You oppose gay marriage because it makes it harder for the gays to form a relationship with god. So you're against it, for their ultimate "best interest".
I, too, was raised in a Christian family. My mom Catholic, and my dad Lutheran.
I went to Sunday school, Bible camp, Confirmation Camp, all that rigamarole.
I CHOSE my religion as an adult.
I "understand" the Christian perspective--I just find it hypocritical.
Jillian raises the best point, though--and it's really what I was trying to say. Why can OTHER sins be ignored for the sake of marriage, but not homosexuality? Why shouldn't someone who was once an adulterer, who was divorced for it, not be denied the sanctity of marriage a second time, then?
I just don't understand why giving someone a way to publicly express love AND that gives them legal rights at the same time is so bad.
A person who committed adultery can be forgiven, they can turn from thier sin, just like a gay person, they can turn from thier sin and get married to someone of the other sex.
That is the real difference, being sorry for thier sin, and asking forgiveness for thier sin.
nothing had to understand about the Christian idea of sin, it is not a double standard, it is a fact that the homosexual community does not want to admit it is a sin at all.
A person who committed adultery can be forgiven, they can turn from thier sin
Do you advocate that adulterers and fornicators should be denied equal protection under civil and criminal law until they "turn from thier [sic] sin"? Why should one class of sexual sinners (homosexuals) be denied legal rights and protections that other classes of sinners (adulterers, fornicators) are afforded?
You think it's a sin? Fine, don't marry them in your church. But don't try to deny basic secular legal protections to people just because your church defines them as sinners. Civil and criminal law deals in guilt and punishment, not sin. In case you haven't heard, the Supreme Court put the final nail in the coffin of sodomy laws a year or two ago. I suppose it's a moot point now, but I always wondered if lesbians could commit the crime of sodomy. You used to be in law enforcement, do you know?
A person who committed adultery can be forgiven, they can turn from thier sin, just like a gay person, they can turn from thier sin and get married to someone of the other sex.
That is the real difference, being sorry for thier sin, and asking forgiveness for thier sin.
nothing had to understand about the Christian idea of sin, it is not a double standard, it is a fact that the homosexual community does not want to admit it is a sin at all.
Although I understand your point of the fact that... true repentance is turning from your sin, and it cant be true turning if you know that youll do it again, I have to disagree with you about the adultery thing. This could definitely begin a whole other spill, but the Bible says that if a person is married and then decides to divorce, thus sins and is causing the other to sin, except on the grounds of unfaithfulness...
I appreciate your point though
~Ash
It’s not natural, it’s not normal and it is a further deviation from the traditional family…I say no to same sex marriage.
So is living together, a deviation of traditional marriage, as far as normal, that's what gay people, do so its normal among homosexuals, and I doubt saying that its unnatural will find agreement in the gay community. I think its up to the church, not the law, whether they will marry a gay couple, and as everyone knows the institution of marriage is only working half the time, and falling steadily. I think they should have to go thru a divorce, just like us married people.
AWW MAN based on the above link over 1500 species of animals are going to hell They have been known to have sexual relationships...
"Homosexuality has been observed in more than 1,500 species, and the phenomenon has been well described for 500 of them."
I'd understand homosexuality being a choice if it was just humans, but sorry animals dont choose if they are gay... Try to explain that....
SIDENOTE: And instead of some quote from the bible that has nothing to do with animals or homosexuality, actually find a quote that has to do it with, anyone can twist words.
They have been known to have sexual relationships...
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