Is magic real?

Hello jammixmaster

Can you provide any scientific support for magic?
I mean any proof that magic has been tested in a scientific way for it's effects and power?

Your #1 reason is that because magic is pure energy : do you have any proof for that?

You stated 'anyway, magic does exist and it is all around us... "You can do anything you put your mind to".'
You mean that is your evidence?

You stated 'Any questions?'.
Yes I have : please support what you preach. Please provide the supporting evidence!

Of course you may believe that this is so, but claiming it to be a fact is incorrect until you proved it!

No problem. I'm glad you asked. I'll start with your first question, of scientific proof. Science has already proven that magic is real because as stated before, magic is pure energy, and science has proven that energy exists (just go read any physics or chemistry book). As for your second question, I would have to delve more into psychology to give you a full answer but I'll try and simplify here. Magic begins in the mind because the mind is the center of all focusing.......unless you can prove to me that you can focus on something with your foot then I guess we'll just have to stick with the mind. Science has already proven that you can use your mind to create change, that process of creating that change is called magic. Some people may call it "positive thinking" or whatever, but that's essentially how magic works. That's not to say that if you focus on becoming a billionaire that tomorrow you'd be one. There are other factors that come into play and it's too much to type here. As for proving it, I'm sure you've already proven it to yourself. I don't know your personally so I can't explain exactly how but I can give you some examples. If there has ever been a time in your life that you needed something or just wanted it really bad but had no way of getting it, then a few days later (or any time frame) out of nowhere the means for getting what you wanted or needed came. Science would call this a "coincidence". But we all know that a "coincidence" is just science's way of saying "I don't know how to explain that".

You are mixing two things here. Yes science can prove that energy exists, no debate there. No it has not proven that magic is real. Can you post some papers on this subject?

There are not many papers on the subject as most scholars choose just the one side......either magic or science. I did however find this:

Science vs. Witchcraft

I'm not sure if its what you're looking for but its the best I could find. By the way Needkarma, your display pic is awesome, that guy is like the new Billy Mays!

Jammixmaster can you do magic? If so how? I'm just curious

"Magic", explained by jammixmaster, is "pure energy". This thought is lost by many, as they try to rationalize it as though it were something tangible, like electricity. To further complicate any attempt to explain "magic", you have the problem provided by science fiction. I've heard the "if magic is real, then show me a green, wart-nosed woman in a black outfit flying around on a broom, or turn me into a toad. See! You can't do it, so it isn't real!" I personally have never flown without mechanical means, nor have I pulled a rabbit from any of the many hat's I own.

Magic is whatever you can convince your mind that it can be, so long as you understand that it's much more fantastic in your imagination, and normally quite boring in reality.

Most of what I've seen considered "magic", didn't really have anything "magical" about it. Our desire to mix emotion and belief into what we cannot explain intellectually, and the desire to be something more than what we appear to be, tends to throw things like "magic" out of proportion.

If you mix a base with an acid, a reaction occurs. For someone who has never experienced this before and doesn't understand the science behind the reaction, IT'S MAGIC! But, it's our imagination that makes it so, and our desire to believe in something fantastic. In reality, it's boring old predictable science. Many "spells" are found to be similar to this.

However, you still have the "pure energy" side of the "spell", such as the incantation, meditation, seance, astral-projection, etc., that is quite often chocked up to total BS by those without the desire to believe. These same people, more often than not, are the same that believe in the "power of prayer", yet do not make the connection between prayer and "energy projection". As far as I can tell, and this is my opinion, there is not much difference. You are projecting your personal energy, whether it be emotional or physical, whether you believe it is received by an omnipotent being and sent back down, or if there is no "middle man" in the process and you are in control, you are still doing it. How exactly the process works, is left up to the individual and their mind's eye, as there isn't a all-fitting practical explanation that I know of.

I find it easier to compare to that which is a fantastic piece of science fiction: Star Wars, and the "Force". It's a cooperation between you and your surroundings though a transference of energy. Can you reach out and make your light saber come to you? Well, there is a lot of science behind telekinesis, and it's the ability to affect matter with your mind, right? Moving salt shakers across the table, bending spoons..... Sure, why not a light saber, lol. But the concept wasn't invented by the movies. Many of the Native American beliefs that I have read about, shared the belief that there was a "web" that connected all things. That everything from the soil to the sky was an inter-weaved, cooperative being. We get to participate in this form for a while, but will be returned to the earth to propagate another life. Does Disney's "the Lion King" song "the Circle of Life" ring a bell?

Now after you remove the science fiction from "the Force" and remember what you learned in middle-school science class, EVERYTHING ON EARTH is made of protons, neutrons, and electrons. Everything, even the rocks at the bottom of the river, the tree in your yard, the air you breath, and yes, even you, is composed of basically the same stuff. What defines the rock from the tree, is the composition and order in which these things are arranged. Granted, I'm no scientist or professor, and my comparisons probably suck, but you get the idea, I hope.

But here I am, coming full circle, and beginning to try to explain how "magic" and "pure energy", is, in a way, electricity. Without electricity, our synapses don't fire, our thoughts don't form, our heart doesn't beat. We might as well be a rock or a tree. It's the attraction and repulsion, the cooperation of the electrons and protons of the elements that make up the forms we keep. This electricity, this "pure energy" or "magic", is in us all. How you rationalize what it is, and what you can or cannot do with it, is reliant solely upon your desire to accept the form or fashion in which it exists. How this is projected, I do not pretend to understand, but I can believe that we possess the ability to do so, whether in the form of prayer, as a spell, or in any other flavor you choose. We know there's something to it, though we can't reach out and touch it, and we all long for an explanation that we can understand, but it's just out of reach.

Ok, I'm burned out, it's been a long day, hopefully someone can help make sense of what I think I was trying to say with all this, and that maybe some part of what I have said here can be helpful to the discussion. I hope.

Yes, science proved that energy exists. But you still have to prove that magic is pure energy.

Sure, magic can begin in the mind. But there are limits. You stated "You can do anything you put your mind to". But that is not true. There are limits. You can imagine many things in your mind, but that does not ensure that whatever you imagine is real or can be done. So prove that you can literally do anything you put your mind to, or accept that this is no support for your magic claim.

How conveniant. But I have all the time, so go ahead : post these factors, of course supported by valid evidence.


Science would call this a non-answer. Of course there is coincidence. But that has nothing to do with 'real magic', and nothing with 'You can do anything you put your mind to'. Please keep to the subject and the point I made. Prove that 'You can do anything you put your mind to'. Or accept that there is no support for this claim.

Note : you have not in any way supported so far your claim that magic is real.
You introduced a lot of 'red herrings' in response to my previous post, but I like to keep focussed in your own topic on your own question 'Is magic real?' and your own statement "Magic is real". I asked you to support that statement. But I am still waiting.

Again : of course you may believe that magic is real, but claiming it as fact is incorrect until you have proved it!

You may have heard that, but in this topic all that was asked was to provide valid support for the claim "magic is real". So far I am still waiting.

Magic is real if you think it is. For example you never heard of eletricty and one day david blaine came up fliped a swicth and a light came on then you would belife it was magic