Another non-answer !

Neither do I. I just ask JM to provide scientific support for what he claims to be true : that magic is real.
Or admit that he believes that magic is real , when he/she can not provide that scientific support.

I believe I said three times already that I do believe in magic. Your statement right there proves that you don't listen to anything anyone says. So this whole time, rather than reading and comprehending anything that I, or any one else on this thread has said, you just skim over it and decide you don't like it and then repost your pathetic attempt at a rebuttal.

How is that a non-answer? Rather than go back and spend another 10 minutes re-typing what I already typed, I simply told XOXO that I already posted it. If by someone not wanting to repeat themselves is a non-answer, then I wonder what you think an answer truly is. And before you post another lame attempt at asking for proof of magic, for the 4th time, I do believe in it. But I am 100% certain by this time tomorrow, you would have reposted AGAIN asking for proof or for me to admit that I believe in it.

I disagree. The topic of discution is actually what is your deffinition of MAGIC, whether we realise that or not is up to each of us. I think some of you are thinking of Magic as in, Harry potter, or Gandalf, jedi mind tricks/ telekinesiss/ and force lightning etc.

Mean while the idea that is presented to us is different. Similar but not like that. If you go on YouTube look up psychictruth and find a video on the meaning of Magic or something about magic any way. Sorry my YouTube is not working, something about abobe flash player.

An act of magic is explain a little differntly than you'd think, and it's pretty interesting to see what they have to say. I can quite recall if they have references to support their claims but I'm sure if you asked, they'd give you some.

Further more, science what with all it's OSE (Objective supporting evidence.) and all is still just a belief. No one has to believe it. For example, If I told you that "the force" is real and we are apart of it in reality what would you say? "Bull" right? Well, it is debatable that Mitochondria are not indeed the same as Middicholorines of the star wars movies. I had read some where that is where Goerge got his idea, just made it fancy, flashy and hyped up, with different names. But since you like your science and OSE, then look for yourself. Do I believe it 100%, no not really, but then again I don't believe anything 100%.

Science maybe "explaining everything we see around us, and if possible complete with valid support." But, Philosophy is the study of the truth or principls underlying all knowledge. So, science is subject to opinion, interpretation, and validation just as anything other belief. However, since we are able to see the beginning and end of a science experiment, we figure that makes it more valid, or important than others. I agree that science is facination and if we did not have a pretty solid idea of what is most plossible, then we'd never have done what we've done, but that still doesn't convince me that it will always be thus. Matter is subject to change as well. Nither destroyed, nor created. Only relatively changed.

A little too "Rosemary's Baby" for me!

I don't believe in magic. However, I understand these sayings of how they exist. Good arguments, and it's true. Science cannot provide an answer to everything. Why do some people believe there is a God? Don't know. Science can't answer that? How is it that a soul came to be placed in our bodies. Eh.. No evidence of why or how, but we are in fact alive. There's a lot of controversy over the issue of magic and such. All I'm saying is, you can't rely on science to tell you everything. Some things just are the way they are.

I don't understand the "how is it that a soul came to be placed in our bodies ... no evidence of why or how but we are in fact alive."

What does having a soul have to do with being alive?

Well, how do you describe what it is that makes us alive. I mean the fact that we aren't just a mass or organs randomly working and we have personalities.

What does that have to do with having a soul? Animals are alive, they aren't just a mass of organs randomly working and they have personalities. Do they have souls?

Did I say they didn't? No. This doesn't even pertain to the this thread. All I was doing was providing my own examples to agree with his thoughts on this. I wasn't bringing up a new random conversation about something completely different. Thanks

And what did I say before? I was referring to the thing that makes people what they are (animals too). Soul was the first word that came to my head.

So you do believe that animals have souls? Or not?

I still don't understand your statement (which is what you said "before") which was: "How is it that a soul came to be placed in our bodies. Eh.. No evidence of why or how, but we are in fact alive."

The original question is/was "Is magic real." I don't get the connection.

I didn't say soul, you did. Whether it's the first thing that came to your head, it's what you posted.

I know I said soul. I kept saying I did. I used it as an example. Not a connection. I don't really understand why you don't get what Im trying to say

So if I wanted to cast a spell on something, what words or thoughts or whatever would I use? i.e. something simple like picking up an object without using hands...

I can use some magic, but its only limited to blowing out a candle with my "mind".

Soul is to intangability as a written record is to tangability. The apples versus oranges misunderstanding continues to encourage an argument that cannot be won. Would spaceships versus peanut butter be a clearer example?

If Objective Scientific Evidence is the only measuring stick of reality, if debatable facts are more real and valid than each person's individual perception, we're all screwed. Then nothing is real; there is no such thing as math, or magic.

I believe there is a elephant in my doorknob that controls the weather.

Interesting how none of this has anything to do with the thread I posted.

Oh sorry, I didn't phrase it correctly.


I believe there is a elephant in my doorknob that controls the weather. Any questions?