Specific reasons Judaism rejected Jesus as Mesiah

Ramonabeez · Jun 24, 2003, 11:35 AM

My question is purely analytical in nature--I am not trying to condemn, convert, persuade in any way. I say this because I see a lot of emotional outbursts concerning religion on this page. My question is simply this: I know that the Mesiah according to the Jewish writings had to meet specific prophecies. I know that learned Jews reject the fact the Jesus did not meet these. Which of the prophecies were not met? Also, if any one could direct me to a site which would list all the prophecies there were for the Jewish Mesiah, I would appreciate it. Thankyou.

Soldout · Nov 14, 2007, 02:50 PM

Ask yourselves, when isaiah says OUR, US, US ALL. Who do your think he is talking about. He is talking about the Gentiles AND the Jews hence us all. If he was only making reference to other people not including Jews then he would be using less inclusive words like THEM YOUR. So he would have been saying to the world The Nation of Isreal was Bruised for YOUR inquities and by The nation of Irael's Stripes YOU have been healed. But its is the By Christ's Stripes on his back from the whipping that we are ALL healed. Think about this.

BABRAM · Nov 14, 2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Soldout

Hi Bobby would you mind posting Isaiah 53 from the Torah so that maybe i can see how its been translated. Because the way i read isaiah 53, it is drawing parallels between the sacrifice of a lamb for remission of sin (which was done in the old testament days as an atonement) and the sacrifice of the subject whoever it may be, whether Christ of the "Nation of Israel" (NOI). So maybe your translation is different, that why i am asking if you can post the Hebrew translation of Isaiah 53.

My name is Sammy. I dont believe the Jews have horns on their head. As a Christians we are comanded to love and pray for the Jews so anything in contrary to that is non Biblical. The Jews are God's chosen people and the history and the future of the world revolves around that small nation Isreal.

Hi Sammy,

It's not in the sefar Torah. The book of Isaiah is found in the section of the TANAKH under Nevi'im (prophets). I don't have the Hebrew fonts to type your request on the post. Which verse exactly do you want to go over? I see that Elliot (ETW) managed the Ivrit onto this site. Perhaps he can direct you to a Stone Edition Tanakh translation online or post the Hebrew using his computer programs. My rabbi once said that we are known as the chosen people, Duet 7:7 (and I guess that was further fostered in Chaim Potoks book), but equally we are also the people choosing to serve G-d. My questions remain: Who died on the cross? Was it Jesus-the-god, or was it Jesus-the-human?

Bobby

rosends · Nov 15, 2007, 03:43 AM

Asking to paste verse 6 or 8 of "chapter 53" is part of the problem. The narrative continues and the subject is established at the end of 52 and earlier. The pronouns are not as you ssume. The speaker for much of this is not Isaiah our god but the rulers of nations. So the "my people" for whom "they were punished" is the nations of the earth for whom the Jews were punished. You inability to see "fairness" in this as you see us as the apple of God's eye is sweet but immaterial. This is the way the world will recognize it whether or not you think it s wrong.

Curlyben · Nov 15, 2007, 03:51 AM

This thread is OVER FOUR years old !!!

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