Gay Marriage

h_leann_b · May 19, 2009, 12:46 PM

I don't know if you have seen this ad.. But if not you should take a look at it. It brings up a few points. Most of them you have listed however:

The group who made the ad is Home - National Organization for Marriage

YouTube - NOM - Gathering Storm

Also, I have heard arguments like if Gay marriage is legal, then so should polygamy. In that youtube video I linked there is also a pretty lively debate on the comments. If I think of anything else I will let you know. Go get them!

h_leann_b · May 19, 2009, 12:52 PM

I also want to point out, that the actual 'traditional' marriage is not affected by gay marriage(two people who love each other and are pledging their lives to each other) but Britney Spears who gets married and anulled the next day.. Or a new dating service called Ashley Madison. Its for married man/woman to cheat on their spouse. That's what's ruining marriage.
YouTube - CNN and Ashley Madison
"Life is short, have an affair"

spitvenom · May 19, 2009, 01:02 PM

1. My wife's mom is a lesbian my wife is straight (and so are all her brothers)

2. Gay men want Gay MEN not little boys. Most people who are pedophiles do not consider themselves gay just ask a priest.

3. A lot of marriage ends in divorce and have nothing to do with gay people. I don't see how if bob and steve from next door are married how it would affect anyone's marriage.

4. Magic Johnson STRAIGHT has HIV. So....

5. But not the rights that married people have. Can't be on the same insurance. If Bob from number 3 is sick Steve can not get any information about Bob because he is not a family member or spouse.

6 Because a goat can not give consent. An Adult human can.

7. Not true it is not a choice. My friend growing up played with dolls while we played football, we played baseball he did nails. 20 years later no surprise to anyone he is gay. NOT A CHOICE.

8. Don't care what a book about something that may or may not exist says.

artlady · May 19, 2009, 01:03 PM

I think you pretty much covered it.I applaud you taking a stand and I know it won't be easy.
I think the religious argument is where you will run into the most oppression as that seems to be the most often played anti gay card.
Good luck and I hope you ace it.Let us know how you make out ,if you are so inclined.

sGt HarDKorE · May 19, 2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

1. My wife's mom is a lesbian my wife is straight (and so are all her brothers)

2. Gay men want Gay MEN not little boys. Most people who are pedophiles do not consider themselves gay just ask a priest.

3. A lot of marriage ends in divorce and have nothing to do with gay people. I don't see how if bob and steve from next door are married how it would affect anyone's marriage.

4. Magic Johnson STRAIGHT has HIV. So....

5. But not the rights that married people have. Can't be on the same insurance. If Bob from number 3 is sick Steve can not get any information about Bob because he is not a family member or spouse.

6 Because a goat can not give consent. An Adult human can.

7. Not true it is not a choice. My friend growing up played with dolls while we played football, we played baseball he did nails. 20 years later no surprise to anyone he is gay. NOT A CHOICE.

8. Don't care what a book about something that may or may not exist says.

Thanks for the examples, isn't it kind of funny how odd some arguments are? I was especially surprised when I kept reading over and over how gay people are pedophiles and such, that made me laugh at how stupid some people are!

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Originally Posted by artlady

I think you pretty much covered it.I applaud you taking a stand and I know it won't be easy.
I think the religious argument is where you will run into the most oppression as that seems to be the most often played anti gay card.
Good luck and I hope you ace it.Let us know how you make out ,if you are so inclined.

Thanks

I got some really cool religious arguments, and I have found every quote used from the bible and found some ways to counter those. In my opinion if they bring religion into the debate, I think it would be a stupid move, but then again they might do it anyways which is why I'm preparing for that. I'm really glad I chose this topic, I always felt gay marriage should be allowed, but I never new any arguments other than simply knowing that everyone should be equal. Now I feel like a gay marriage guru!

And thanks h_leann_b in advance for the links. I'll check them out now!

spitvenom · May 19, 2009, 01:27 PM

Hey sGT check out this article you can use it about being gay is a "choice"

A Gay Man’s Brain Looks a Lot Like a Straight Woman’s Brain | 80beats | Discover Magazine

Ren6 · May 20, 2009, 08:25 AM

Another argument is that marriage is for "procreation". I guess that men and women who can't have kids should not be allowed to marry!

sGt HarDKorE · May 20, 2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

Hey sGT check out this article you can use it about being gay is a "choice"

A Gay Mans Brain Looks a Lot Like a Straight woman's Brain | 80beats | Discover Magazine

Thanks! I printed off the article and will use it to prepare myself, I'll be sure to let you guys know how it all turns out when this occurs next Tuesday.

Thanks Ren6 for reminding me about that one! You know what's funny? I found an article on the internet that a man who beat and choked his wife to death was given another marriage license while out on bail. I guess Gay's can't marry, but murderers can as long as they are straight! Or maybe he was really sorry!

busy_bee · May 20, 2009, 01:10 PM

Just presenting points - not beliefs:

1. Marriage is a religious institution. Civil union can be legalised by law but marriage should be approved by the church. And that's not going to happen anytime soon - Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder. (Pope Benedict, Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons, October 1986)

2. Social changes, gay marriage, often take a long time to reveal their effects on the populace. These effects could very well be negative. They may be positive in the ''everybody is equal and should have equal rights'' sense but they could have extreme reprecussions.

Good luck in the debate!

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