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Asked Apr 30, 2006, 03:16 PM — 51 Answers
Just my thoughts. I can HAVE & SPEAK. About them. This America!. Why should Mexican people be any different, than any other person wanting to come to the US ? The process of any person wanting to come to the US should be the same for ALL! A person from Europe, such as Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Go through a very strict process even to visit here. Example. Even if a WEALTHY person from the Ukraine who wants to see sites like Disney Land, Hollywood etc. Many detailed documents must be completed and viewed by the American consulate in their country. Also a in person interview. They must show cause and reason why they would want to return to their homeland. Such as own a business, family they support. Also meet income requirements. Then if all is ok, they MIGHT get a visa to come here. Even so, it could be a year or longer before they get the visa. I know that many of the thousands of Mexican people who cross or boarder illegal everyday are good God fearing people who want to better their life. But reality dictates a large % of these people are involved in Drug, Weapons, Gang related issues. Also reality is many of the illegal Mexicans who are here already, tax the medical & welfare system. Meaning less for the Real Americans who are native or here legal. There are some issues that just piss me off. I live in central California where English is pretty much a second language. I might be more supportive of their cause if they did not wave the Mexican Flag, wanting to be Americans. I also do not understand our National Anthem words to be changed for their cause. It has been many years since I have studied about our fight for independence from England 200+ years ago. But I do not recall any Mexicans being there. My stepfather was a Mexican. Even way back in the 70's he did not like term Mexican American. He said that he was a American who just happened to be a Mexican. Amen to that! I do not feel we need for Congress to make new laws, costing American Tax Payers MILLIONS of dollars. We just need to enforce the laws we have. Therefore ANYBODY from Mexico or Tim Buck Two, who are here illeagle should be ARRESTED & DEPORTED YESTERDAY! But that's just me.

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May 21, 2006, 11:17 PM
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BTW-I've heard the spanish version of the Star Spangled Banner, its beautiful! But it was pulled from radio stations in Texas because it was said to be inflamatory.

I haven't heard it yet. But I'm sure that it probably is inflamatory to certain Americans. Hilary and Bush didn't mind that the anthem was sung in Spanish. To be honest, I just can't imagine citizens of any other country being offended in the same way if their anthem was sung in another language. Sometimes I wonder. About two years ago, prior to an athletic, event an Hispanic woman was about to sing the anthem in English. Before she had even uttered the first note there were hoots, howlings and whistles from the audience.
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May 21, 2006, 11:19 PM
Well about the only thing I agree, is strong sanctions should be put against the rich mostly Republican employers that hire the illeagal Mexicans in the first place. But I would hardly call Mexico a sister democracy. If Arnold Swarzenegger had migrated to Mexico instead of the US, he could not have run for Governor. If Argentina native Sergio Villanveva, firefighter hero of 9/11 attacks had moved to Tecate instead of New York he would not have been allowed on the force. Even as Mexico presses the US to grant unrestricted citzenship to millions of undocumented Mexican migrants, its officals at time calling US policies "Xenophonic", Mexico places daunting limations on anyone born outside its territory. In the US only two posts- the Presidency and Vice Presidency are reserved for legal naturalized citizens. Foreign born Mexicans can't hold seats in either house of their Congress. They are also banned from state legislatures, the Suprem court and all Governoships. Also Mexico's Constitution reservs
ALL Federal posts, and position in the Military, Merchant Marines for native born Mexicans. Since 2003, it has encouraged cities to ban non-natives from local jobs as Firefighters, Police and Judges. Mexicos foreign-born make up is just 0.5% compaired to 13% in the US. Mexico grants citizenship to about 3000 a year, compaired to 500,000 a year in the US. As far as Mexico being a sister democracy, I think NOT! I also feel for the tens of thousands of LAW abiding Mexicans who followed procedure (LAW) waited in line, who are now citizens, it is a slap in the face. My stepfather is one of them and he agrees with me. And as for politicans to starv and work for little or no wages, give me a break. There are so many other countrys in South Africa, North Korea, China, Ukraine, Poland, Russia, that are just as worse off as Mexico. But because they are a boarder country, and having been breaking the LAW froever, we should overlook that. This one issue, people being here illegal is tearing this country apart. Irony, if the illegal people were not here, there would not be a issue.
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May 21, 2006, 11:57 PM


I believe in the law the same as you do,and I feel for all the poor ,oppressed people of the world but its very hard to see poor people trying to eek out a living and that law that is supposed to protect you is putting you behind the eight ball. Since we now are seeing that its not the people but the policies that are the real issue the solution is clear-change the policies and get rid of those who use the LAW to enrich themselves at the expense of the poor. Those so-called illegals are running from policies they cannot fight and deserve the help of all of us.
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May 22, 2006, 12:00 AM


I guess the first step would be to stop blaming people for the things that they do because they are hungry and desperate!
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May 22, 2006, 01:26 AM
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Well about the only thing I agree, is strong sanctions should be put against the rich mostly Republican employers that hire the illeagal Mexicans in the first place. But I would hardly call Mexico a sister democracy. If Arnold Swarzenegger had migrated to Mexico instead of the US, he could not have run for Governor. If Argentina native Sergio Villanveva, firefighter hero of 9/11 attacks had moved to Tecate instead of New York he would not have been allowed on the force. Even as Mexico presses the US to grant unrestricted citzenship to millions of undocumented Mexican migrants, its officals at time calling US policies "Xenophonic", Mexico places daunting limations on anyone born outside its territory. In the US only two posts- the Presidency and Vice Presidency are reserved for legal naturalized citizens. Foreign born Mexicans can't hold seats in either house of their Congress. They are also banned from state legislatures, the Suprem court and all Governoships. Also Mexico's Constitution reservs
ALL Federal posts, and position in the Military, Merchant Marines for native born Mexicans. Since 2003, it has encouraged cities to ban non-natives from local jobs as Firefighters, Police and Judges. Mexicos foreign-born make up is just 0.5% compaired to 13% in the US. Mexico grants citizenship to about 3000 a year, compaired to 500,000 a year in the US. As far as Mexico being a sister democracy, I think NOT! I also feel for the tens of thousands of LAW abiding Mexicans who followed procedure (LAW) waited in line, who are now citizens, it is a slap in the face. My stepfather is one of them and he agrees with me. And as for politicans to starv and work for little or no wages, give me a break. There are so many other countrys in South Africa, North Korea, China, Ukraine, Poland, Russia, that are just as worse off as Mexico. But because they are a boarder country, and having been breaking the LAW froever, we should overlook that. This one issue, people being here illegal is tearing this country apart. Irony, if the illegal people were not here, there would not be a issue.
By sister democracy I didn't mean identical democracy since democracies vary in detail.
England is not an exact duplicate of our democracy either yet it's a democracy nevertheless. Any democracy's foreign policy, naturalization systems, and social institutions are irrelevant to its democratic status as long as they don't deprive the citizens of their vote.

Ancient Greek city states practiced a democracy where only men who owned land or a home could vote. Yet they were democracies. In fact, the United States was a men-only voting democracy for some time and women had to struggle to gain suffrage. Would you have accused America of not being a democracy because it didn't allow its women to vote? Ask any history college professor and he will tell you that America has always been a democracy. So why not grant Mexico and all the other Hispanic democracies you might be excluding the same leniency?

Women's Suffrage. Harry Osborn, Two More Bright Spots on the Map, Maryland Suffrage News (14th November, 1914) ... The struggle for women's suffrage in America began in the 1820s ... In the United States the stoutest enemy of the movement acknowledges that woman suffrage is ultimately inevitable ...
Women's Suffrage


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Main Entry: democracy
Function: noun
Pronunciation: di-'m-kr&-se
Inflected Form(s): plural -cies
Etymology: Middle French democratie, from Late Latin democratia, from Greek demokratia, from demos + -kratia -cracy
1 a : government by the people ; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

Your step father feels that because he had to wait everyone should be made to wait regardless of the differences in circumstances? That's called deontological or rule thinking and its inflexibility in the face of the need for
Adjustments can lead one to commit injustices.

We are in favor of what?
There you go again Jimmy! No one is suggesting that illegality be ignored or encouraged. What's being suggested is that it be remedied and that part oi the remedy be the guest worker program which permits the government to keep track of the workers and a naturalization for those who deserve it due to the long years they have spent here with the full cooperation of our business owners who needed the cheap labor, and with the tacit cooperation of our federal government which conveniently turned its face the other way as all this was going on.

Tearing the country apart? That's an unfounded fear due to a perceived threat that only exists in the minds of those who fear the country is being torn apart. To propagate such a fear by repetition in direct opposition to what the president tells you to do is to foment the very social instability that those who spread the concept claim they want to avoid. Ever hear of a self- fulfilling prophecy?
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May 27, 2006, 08:32 AM
Might be the answer?

Dig a moat the length of the Mexican border.
Use the dirt from the moat to raise the levies in New Orleans.
Put the Florida alligators in the moat.

Any other problems you want me to solve?
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May 27, 2006, 08:47 AM
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Might be the answer?

Dig a moat the length of the Mexican border.
Use the dirt from the moat to raise the levies in New Orleans.
Put the Florida alligators in the moat.

Any other problems you want me to solve?
Please run for President! Straight common sence, WOW! Solved 3 problems at 1 time.
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May 27, 2006, 08:49 AM
Hahahah...funny one magprob
I wish the peepole in the congress had brains like you. At least it would be funny.

I was going to ask you fr a solution on global warming. But nervermind, the congress thinks we can still abuse the planet.
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May 28, 2006, 09:23 PM
Illegal immigrants.Umm...Who are the lawmakers? Human beens, and human beens make mistake. They say something is illegal because they believe it that way, not because it is. I don't like people crossing the border illegally, and something needs to be done to stop that. However, deportation is not the answer because that would be the destruction of many families, kids don't have to pay for these things. They would be harm psychologically, and that is not good since they are going to be part of the future of this country because they are Americans. Moreover, not all the illegal immigrants are poor because many overstay their visa, and to get a visa to come here is not easy and cheap. Education, and the American dream is what they want. Sometimes,the country from where they come from is the reason.This situation is illegal because that is the law, but these people make mistakes as human beens such as lawmakers make.We need to find the solution to these situations not to find guilty people. These undocumented alliens are not criminal unless they have committed a crime. Being illegal is not a crime.
That is my opinion.
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May 29, 2006, 12:53 AM
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Illegal immigrants.Umm...Who are the lawmakers? Human beens, and human beens make mistake. They say something is illegal because they believe it that way, not because it is. I don't like people crossing the border illegally, and something needs to be done to stop that. However, deportation is not the answer because that would be the destruction of many families, kids don't have to pay for these things. They would be harm psychologically, and that is not good since they are going to be part of the future of this country because they are Americans. Moreover, not all the illegal immigrants are poor because many overstay their visa, and to get a visa to come here is not easy and cheap. Education, and the American dream is what they want. Sometimes,the country from where they come from is the reason.This situation is illegal because that is the law, but these people make mistakes as human beens such as lawmakers make.We need to find the solution to these situations not to find guilty people. These undocumented alliens are not criminal unless they have committed a crime. Being illegal is not a crime.
That is my opinion.
Hmmm, being illegal is legal, or not a crime. Sounds like a Bush language stumble speech. They broke the law when they came here illegal. Does anybody think of the criminal element coming across the boarder ? Gun's, Gang's, Organized Crime. The affect 1 kilo of cocaine cooked into crack. Just how many lives are touched, families torn apart. Kid's dying. Ok most come for the American dream. But everyday MANY come for another kind of American dream. To profit at American's suffering! If they are here illeagal, just cut of ALL social services at once. See how many go home. But that's just my opinion. With a lot of fact.
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