A prospective client for this product that I market has an open water source (which has fish) to water his lawn. He is interested in the benefits of the product but concerned about any possible effect on the fish. I too dont want to harm the system. But will APSA 80 actually harm them? I am not sure as it claims to be bio degradable..

KUXJ

Hi! sunsham, and Welcome to AMHD
If you sell for Amway you should be up on these matters.

Here's a site you should have Bookmarked Amway 11th one down.

This is amway's MSDS

Look at section 14. It's listed as a marine pollutant for water transport.

Read the whole sheet, need I say more?

k

binx44

I agree with KUXJ on this one. if you sell for amway you should and MUST know these things before even thinking of selling it to anyone for any purpose... How long have you been selling amway products. Personally i wouldnt buy a product from someone who didnt know the product inside out especially things like herbicides and Non-Ionic surfacants like ASPA 80 is... ASPA is an additive to aid in the spreading of herbicides and fungicides. Its function is similar to teepol or Khadhi soap solution which the farmers usually mix with the pesticidal solution before spraying.
Their main function is to make the leaf absorb more nutrients or pesticidal chemicals by allowing the spray liquid to stand more on the leaf surfaces.

Yes this is classified as a Marine Pollutant. Therefore it is toxic to all or most Marine Organisms. including marine animals and plants.

Only Aquamaster, Glypro, Rodeo, and some 4 lb ae/gal formulations of glyphosate can be applied on water because they do not include adjuvants that are toxic to fish and aquatic life.

For any herbicide used in and around water, you should add only approved surfactants for effective weed control. Some surfactants labeled for use in and around water are: Activate Plus, Agridex, Class Act NG, Induce, Liberate, LI-700, Preference, R-11, Widespread, and X-77.


*edit*.... By the way. just because something is biodegratable doesnt mean it is ok for the environment
APSA 80 is hazardous according to the criteria of the OSHA Hazard Communication
Standard.
APSA 80 is classified as a ENVIRONMENTALLY HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE, LIQUID N.O.S. (alcohol C13-15 poly (1-6)
ethoxylate)

Non-ionic surfactants are comprised of linear or nonyl-phenol alcohols and/or fatty acids. And ASPA 80 is an Non-Ionic surfacant.

sunsham

Hey you two thanks for your answer. Actually do you know everything about something before you walk out talking about it? I am learning and anyone in sales will tell you that people keep coming up with different angles and questions. The reason I am asking out here is to know and to learn, thanks for your reply, would have preferred a non judgemental approach too!

KUXJ

Your welcome.Pretty much, and if I'm unsure I use my reference material to double check it. That's what you should of done. If I can find the Amway MSDS sheets, Why couldn't you?
That's to be expected when your in sales.
Where in your original post do you indicate that you are a neophyte salesperson?
I was under the impression that Amway had its own training. Did they stop training their salespeople?

This says no: Amway Global Home, but a deeper google search into amway reveals Lawsuits, Judgments, and decisions as late as March 17, 2009.
Amway Quixtar Antitrust Lawsuit | MLM Blog - Network Marketing Blog - MLM News - MLM Reviews,

and more here:
recent amway lawsuits - Google Search

That is why my response was acidic, I found it incredulous that you couldn't find this out at a Training/Sales meeting.

Your welcome, again.Now who is being judgmental?

Since it took twelve weeks for you to reply, (I always appreciate responses to my answers) I await your next reply around the 31st of January 2010.


k

binx44

I agree with K.. they should of had some sort of formal training as being ill trained in a topic such as pesticides when you are selling them could create harmful effects to the environment, and could have reprocussions. such as lawsuits for failure to specify much needed important information.

I always check, double check then triple check my information before telling someone about it. just like on here when i answer questions.. just because i have a degree in Forest and wildlife conservation doesnt mean i know everything perfect.. each day is a new learning experience so i've learned to check my materials and references very deeply before commenting or selling something.

We are not really being judgemental.. we are just concerned about our enviroment and the effects things can have on them (such as poor knowledge, harmful products among many other things) i even gave you a technical response including must know information about the chemical you are selling.. i was as nice as i could be. though i still stand by what i say and i still 100% Agree with K on both posts he has posted.