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there is no such sport as soccer.all countries have football associations teams play in football leagues and teams are football teams.(fifa)federation of international FOOTBALL associations.fa cup FOOTBALL association cup
Why is it that us Canadians always get over looked?
We called it soccer as well. To us, football is the same as the USA Footbal. But unlike the NFL, we have the CFL, where the Edmonton Eskimos just won the Grey Cup today. I'm glad they won and beat Montreal as it was Montreal that knocked Toronto out of the playoffs.
I didn't forget you. The Canadians actually contributed much to American Football and I want to thank you for reminding me.
See my response, called "Enlightenment", posted on this thread:
"Harvard, preferring to use its own rules, abstained from this competition. In 1874 Harvard met McGill University of Montreal, Canada, in a match played under the rugby-like rules of the Canadians. The Harvard players, impressed, altered their own rules accordingly. Harvard and Yale played a football game for the first time on November 13, 1875, using Harvard's rules."
"soccer" was not a generalized word used by everyone at the time in england, nor was it something that lasted for more than a few years. This is why in England it is now called football not soccer (among other names...) and this is why it was translated as football in every other language.
I have done quite a lot of reading and research and feel comfortable with what I found. It's evident that 'soccer' is a word that the US media and 'american football' organizations in particular are promoting to differentiate what we call football from their form of football. They are using the argument of football being called 'soccer' at its inception as a widely known fact, which is wrong and simplistic.
There are plenty of links that explain the origins of football, rugby and american football, some more biased than others. I am not going to post only aparts from one or another. The following is the link of the FIFA (federation Internationale de Football Association) which represents all the official football organizations of countries in the world, including the US.
North American schools were influenced by English universities at the time, and rugby was one of the things that came along with it. Rugby was seen as the sport that 'high class' students should play in English schools. Of course there were variances of football being played by immigrants here in the US before the rules were stablished in England, but that is not an indication of american football being stablished before rugby or football. Curious enough the first 'American football' like game played between schools here in North America was years after the rugby and football rules were defined in England.
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They (The media) are using the argument of football being called 'soccer' at its inception as a widely known fact, which is wrong and simplistic.
I agree...The media often slants the truth to reinforce it's own agenda. That is why we, as informed individuals, must check the midea's sources and seek other, indepedent, references to varify what is the whole and proven truth.
Every person that communicates with another must keep in context what they say and what they hear. It is our responsibilty to be good communicators. Many conflicts happen because of misunderstanding of exactly what someone said.
That is why I put "The media" in parenthesis above. So that the reader can understand how I interpreted your comment.
Football (English-French), Balompie or Fútbol (Spanish), Fußball (German), Futebol .
Football (English-French), Fútbol or Balompie (Spanish), Fußball (German), Futebol (Portuguese), футбольный (Russian), futtobo-ru or フットボール (Japanese), 橄榄球 (Chinese)... And the list goes on .....
FIFA = Fédération Internationale de Football Association, and the name is in french, mainly due to Jules Rimet (French) it's founder and first president. As anyone can see, there is no FISA (Fédération Internationale de Soccer Association).
Every country, but USA, calls our Sport "Football" or a translation into their languages, although the sound of the word remains very similar, and it is not only a European thing, it is a worldwide sport. In América (not US-America) it is the most popular Sport, no wonder this part of the world has won more FIFA world cups than any other continent (Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay), in Europe Italy, Germany, England, and France have won the Football World Cup too. USA hardly ever participated in the FIFA World Cup, but just recently, due to the push and pressure given by the new generations. I agree with the latest posts about "THE US MEDIA" trying to push the other name (agenda) outside their borders.
The World owes it to the English the creation of this game. Hats off to our English fellows..... They were the first to ever play it, and it was spread all over the Globe by them and those of other nationalities who watch it in England.
Unfortunately our friends in the USA, lived for a long time inside a shell, and everything they knew was something modified inside their borders of something they got from other countries and then they call it their own, though in the beginning it was done unintentionally. Today it is a matter of cultural world domination, among other ways of domination they pursue (not done by the common people, to whom I forward my respects).
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Football (English-French), Fútbol or Balompie (Spanish), Fußball (German), Futebol (Portuguese), футбольный (Russian), futtobo-ru or フットボール (Japanese), 橄榄球 (Chinese)... And the list goes on .....
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I agree completely! Let's be aware of what each country/person calls whatever we are talking about and communicate accordingly.
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FIFA = Fédération Internationale de Football Association, and the name is in french, mainly due to Jules Rimet (French) it's founder and first president. As anyone can see, there is no FISA (Fédération Internationale de Soccer Association).
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I'm glad that you give the French credit for founding FIFA and agree whole-heartedly.
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Every country, but USA, calls our Sport "Football" or a translation into their languages, although the sound of the word remains very similar, and it is not only a European thing, it is a worldwide sport.
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That is true. Each country calls it Football when speaking to their own people, but they differentiate when they are speaking with a foreigner. IE- Austrailian Football, English Football, and American Football, etc. This is done because the games do differ and a distinction must be made. It eliminates misunderstandings.
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In América (not US-America) it is the most popular Sport, no wonder this part of the world has won more FIFA world cups than any other continent (Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay), in Europe Italy, Germany, England, and France have won the Football World Cup too. USA hardly ever participated in the FIFA World Cup, but just recently, due to the push and pressure given by the new generations.
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OK- So other countries have more experience than the United States in FIFA Football. The USA has more experience in American (US) Football. When the USA becomes better and more experienced they will also win championships. That does not have any bearing on what we call the game.
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I agree with the latest posts about "THE US MEDIA" trying to push the other name (agenda) outside their borders.
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I agree, As I said in earlier posts, "We must always check media sources and verify truthfulness."
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The World owes it to the English the creation of this game. Hats off to our English fellows..... They were the first to ever play it, and it was spread all over the Globe by them and those of other nationalities who watch it in England.
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The English did not invent the game. They standardized it and refined it. Forms of football were being played much earlier than any European game. You said yourself that the french formed FIFA. So, according to you, the English didn't do that either. I do agree that Europeans spread Football (Other than USA rules Football) throughout the world. Be careful, arrongance is not a virtue.
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Unfortunately our friends in the USA, lived for a long time inside a shell, and everything they knew was something modified inside their borders of something they got from other countries and then they call it their own, though in the beginning it was done unintentionally. Today it is a matter of cultural world domination, among other ways of domination they pursue (not done by the common people, to whom I forward my respects).
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Thank you for differentiating everyday US citizens from politicians. Many couintries have the problem of power-hungry politicians (And big-business). There is a saying, "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely." People are imperfect beings and we all make mistakes. That is why God made us social animals and gave us brains to exercise distiction between good and evil and to be accountable to each other.
As we grow closer and learn to live together disagreements will ensue, but the best of us will enter into dialog, work out our problems, and live in peace.
Internationally you refer to it as football not soccer
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To avoid misunderstandings, it's football not soccer when you are addressing an international forum or an international audience.
When you speak to people from other countries outside the US and New Zealand (I don't want to generalize and include Canada yet, unless Canada just follows suit with the US) you refer to the sport as football, simply football. Lately I have noticed some changes particularly in Australia.
When you grow up calling a sport that is played over 90% of the time with their feet football; it is not an easy task to relate the word 'soccer' to it. It simply does not make sense!
And could not agree with you more, it's a great game! Germany 2006 is coming!
I am pleased I came across this thread, with the superbowl coming up, and the World Cup this year, I have been having many conversations about American Football v's Football (a.k.a soccer).
Through reading this message I see a lot of references to England... it is not just england where football is referred to as soccer... but you know that I am sure.
I also have to say, that as an English person living in the states, i have noticed that there are a lot of things that have changed names, or spelling... guess it was that whole leap for indepence that caused it
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