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Asked Jan 17, 2012, 07:43 AM — 12 Answers
I have 3 circuits in my panel and the grounds are twisted together. When I removed that braided ground from the ground strip it causes a spark and I got a shock touching the wire and the box. I tried another ground wire from another circuit and that did not shock or spark. My question is there a problem in one of the 3 circuits where the ground is braided? Can I put a volt meter between the ground braid and the ground bar and turn of 1 of the 3 breakers at a time and find the one that is causing a problem? Can this be someone wired a outlet (or other) switching the black and white wire?
Any suggestions?
Phil

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Jan 17, 2012, 08:58 AM
I would turn the breakers off 1 by 1 to see which 1 or more is leaking to ground.
Leave the breaker(s) off and see what is on that circuit, lights, fans, recepticles. Could be anyone of them.
Unplug items plugged into the recepticles, and turn off any switches, then look for the voltage on the ground, worse case you will need to open boxes and connections to further isolate.
Be carefull, Good Luck.
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Jan 21, 2012, 05:34 AM
I found one circuit that has 52 volts between the ground wire and the ground bar. I unplugged everything on that circuit and turned off the lights. No change. What do I look for next?
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Jan 21, 2012, 06:01 AM
If you can work safely at the Panel and with Electric, You could Turn off that Breaker/Circuit. And Place a Continuity tester between the hot and ground, and start disconnecting til the Beeping/buzzer/light/Meter show an open connection between the hot and ground. Also turn off any lights, fans etc, and unplug anything in the recepticles. Could be something plugged into the circuit, not necessarily the wiring itself.
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Jan 21, 2012, 06:06 AM
If it's not what is plugged into the outlets what in the outlet box could it be? What should I look for?
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Jan 21, 2012, 06:57 AM
I would open related switch boxes, light/fan/smoke detector boxes and seperate the hots, if the continuity is removed, it is downline from that connection.
A screw or nail can puncture the hot and short to ground, any recent work?

I Take it you seperated the grounds at the panel to determine which of the 3 circuits has the Problem.
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Jan 21, 2012, 07:09 AM
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I have 3 circuits in my panel
How is this panel being used?
This sounds like a sub panel in a garage or a shop.

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grounds are twisted together
Are the neutrals and grounds connected to the same buss in this panel? This sounds like a 120V sub panel in a garage with neutrals and grounds connected at neutral buss. They should not be.

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I removed that braided ground
Was that the ground wire a the ground rod?
Sounds like the braided ground wire between a sub panel and the main panel.

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one circuit that has 52 volts
When you did that voltage check did you check on ground wire with the other two disconnected from the panel, or did you check one with the other two connected to the ground buss?

If you have two circuits come together in a box, grounds of both circuits will be connected. In other words if you have two sets of lights on different circuits, and have the switch for each set in the same box, the grounds will be connected. There are other situation where the grounds of two circuits may be connected.

If your grounds and neutrals come together a sub panel and you have poor connection in the neutral, either in the sub panel or the main panel, and you disconnect the ground between panels, then touch the ground and the box you will get shocked.
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Jan 21, 2012, 07:32 AM
This is in a sub panel 100 amp/220V in the other half of the cellar. The electrian who put in the new 200 amp panel did not make the 100 panel a sub meaning he left the neturals and ground connected on the same bar. I am in the process of seperating the ground and neturals. that is when I found the shock problem. It is not there on all the grounds.
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Jan 21, 2012, 08:10 AM
Confirm that braided ground is the ground between the sub panel and the main panel.

If there is a break in the neutral between the sub panel and the main panel and you disconnect the ground between panels, nothing in the sub panel should work.
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Jan 21, 2012, 09:23 AM
no the braided ground is 6 or 7 copper ground wires twisted together and then screwed into the netural bar. I have just split the netural and grounds in the sub panel and isolated the netural. the netural from the main panel has good contact. Still get conductivity between the ground and the hot on one circuit but not enought to trip the breaker. Using a GB outlet polarity tester on all the outlets shows 2 orange LEDS meaning correct wiring at the outlet.
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