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Old Aug 7, 2008, 06:11 PM
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raw diet and bones

anyone else out there feed there dogs or cats a raw diet? i feed my APBTs organic raw chicken backs and necks along with a cup of dry food, fresh fruit and blanched veggies.
i was in a discussion on other post were a few people were freaking out over me giving my dogs raw bones. my vet supports my raw diet and in my town there is a large community of people who feed this way. any more raw pet feeders out there?

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I have been wanting to do the homemade pet food thing which sounds about the same.
Do not give your pet chicken or pork bones that can tear their throat and stomach lining.
I read that carrots are good for dogs but make sure you have the list of foods you should never feed your pet like onions and grapes.

1. Onions and garlic- Can damage red blood cells because they contain sulfoxides and disulfides.Can also cause anemia.

2. Persimmons- May cause enteritis and intestinal obstruction.

3. Peach and plum pits- Can cause digestive tract obstruction.

4. Raw fish- May cause loss of appetite, seizures, and may cause death if fed regularly, because raw fish causes a thiamine deficiency.

5. Sugary foods- May cause Diabetes Mellitus, dental problems, and obesity.

6. Table scraps- Never feed in large amounts. Bones should never be fed, and fat should be trimmed from meat and fed sparingly.

7. String- May become trapped in the digestive system causing it to have to be removed.

8. Salt- If fed in large quantities, can cause an electrolyte imbalance.

9. Yeast dough- Can cause pain and rupturing in the digestive system.

10. Tobacco- May result in rapid heartbeat, collapse, coma, and death, because tobacco contains nicotine.

11. Raw eggs- Raw eggs may contain Salmonella. They also contain an enzyme known as avidin, which decreases the absorption of biotin.

12.Mushrooms - May contain toxins, which can affect several organ systems, cause shock and even death.

13. Hops- Causes panting, fever, elevated heart rate, seizure and possibly death because of an unknown compound.

14. Spoiled food or garbage- Can contain many toxins which may cause diarrhea and vomiting.

15. Dairy products- Can result in diarrhea because adult dogs and cats do not have enough of the enzyme lactase, which breaks down the lactose in milk. There is lactose-free products available for pets.

16. Liver- If fed in large amounts, can cause Vitamin A toxicity, which affects muscles and bones.

17. Macadamia nuts- They contain an unknown toxin, and can affect the nervous system, muscles, and digestive system.

18. Vitamin supplements for people- Supplements that contain iron can cause damage to many organs and harm the lining of the digestive system.

19. Raisins and grapes- May damage the kidneys because of an unknown toxin.

20. Baby food- May contain onion powder, which can be toxic to dogs.

21. Alcoholic drinks- Can cause coma, death, and intoxication.

22. Bones from fish, poultry, and other meats- Can cause laceration and blockage of the digestive system.

23. Chocolate, coffee, tea, and other caffeine containing products- Contains theobromine, theophylline ,and caffeine, which can be toxic and affect the heart and nervous system.

24. Cat food- Usually contains too much protein and fats for dogs.

25. Citrus oil- May cause vomiting.

26. Fat trimmings- May cause pancreatitis.
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thanks for the in put. raw bones are an important part of their diet. don't know where you got your list but there are a bunch of people out there that base their diets around raw and bones. check out the BARF diet. i think with the recent pet food scare you will start seeing alot more about raw and home made food.
i agree with alot of things on your list but some are a little silly. eggs are actually very good for dogs (not daily). they can even eat the shells for calcium. cottage cheese is also a good digestive aid. dogs are naturally scavengers and can digest and handle microrganisims we cannot. samonella and e.coli do not effect dogs like they do humans. i'm not saying spoiled food is great but it wont kill them.
i love my girls.trust me they are spoiled and i pride my self on feeding them only the best. except for their dry food (artemis) they eat fresh and all organic.
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ms williams how old are your dogs and how long have you been feeding this way?
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ms williams how old are your dogs and how long have you been feeding this way?

they are 4 and 3 1/2 and feeding them this raw diet since i got them. one was 6 weeks the other was 11wks when i got her. ground bones until they were about 6 months. then switched to just giving them the backs and necks.
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Hello, I also have 2 American PitBulls. One is 2 yrs the other 3 months. They both eat a raw food diet mostly consisting of chicken as well and they thrive on it. Everyone comments on how healthy, large, muscualr, and soft they are. So i commend you on feeding your dogs this way. I too get the OMG YOU CANT FEED YOUR DOG THAT response. Those people are just ignorant.
NoHelpForU I also dont know where you got your list either. My dogs eat yougurt once a week, raw whole eggs once a week, raw whole fish often. Do some more research before handing out advice. The only bones that are dangerous to dogs are cooked bones.
So Ms Williams your dogs look beautiful and you are a wonderful owner dont let the dry feeders get to you. The only advice I would give you is to cut out kibble compleatly IT IS NO GOOD.

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israelisisck nohelp was only trying to provide a lsit of foods that could potentially be harmful to pets, I do not think she was telling anyone how to feed their dogs and I for one take offense to the manner in which you spoke to her.

I think people have the right to explore different methods of feeding their dogs. But by the same token you did not give a exact method, how much, how often etc... to feed a dog only that you recommend raw feeding. Some times a little information can be dangerous, not everyone would read your info and go on to reasearch they may just feed what you listed and throw in whatever they feel is not "dry food" potentially causing their pets serious harm. So exercise the same caution as you advised nohelp. for those interested.
What Is The Bone Composition and Nutritional Value of Feeding Raw Bones To Dogs?
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Nutrition Principles For Feeding Dogs and Cats... Presented By ThePetCenter.com

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N0help4u agrees: balancer: even though Ms williams says she gives quality food doesn't invalidate the sites we recommended b4 people just go feeding a dog anything!
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I know people that feed their dogs chocolate and sharp bones and they also say they see no harm in it since it is slowly shutting down their organs or whatever rather than an instant I have to take my dog to the vet NOW.

Here are just SOME of the sites that I got the list from

ASPCA: Pet Care: Animal Poison Control: Top 10 People Foods to Avoid Feeding Your Pets

Avoid These Foods for Dogs

The Dog Food Project - Ingredients to avoid

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bushg agrees: true or a piece of bone is lodged and eventually causes problems....very possible.
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I know people that feed their dogs chocolate and sharp bones and they also say they see no harm in it since it is slowly shutting down their organs or whatever rather than an instant I have to take my dog to the vet NOW.

Here are just SOME of the sites that I got the list from

ASPCA: Pet Care: Animal Poison Control: Top 10 People Foods to Avoid Feeding Your Pets

Avoid These Foods for Dogs

The Dog Food Project - Ingredients to avoid
looking at those sites it seems what they are probably all referring to are the "rendered" meats & by-products (most commerical dog foods are made with these and who knows what else). the one site even said not to consume those unless followed by the words "used as a preservative". they also discourage processed meat products because you can not be assured of the quality of meat. yes, all of those meat sources are bad. they would be like feeding my dogs the equivalent of KFC. the chicken i feed my dogs is certified organic, free range chicken. no processing. no unclean practices. i would never walk in to a safeway and buy ground beef for them either.conventional red meats are injected with red dyes and preservatives to make them appear "fresh". only the one site (SPCA) said anything about raw bones . the other site, " avoid these foods for dogs" said nothing negative about raw only cooked bones.
most dog foods are fillers funk corn and grains. there are(or were) no fda regulations on dog food. the ingredients can say 100% serloin beef and it does not have to contain 1 once of beef. thats how we got plastic from china in the dog food. no regulations.
rendered meat is anything from road kill & collected deer, horse and dead cow pick ups.
i don't eat junk and i am not going to feed my dogs that either. i'm lucky to work in a place where i can purchase these safe items. i would not eat dyed meat or hormone inject meat. i would not give it to my dogs.
you may not agree on the raw bones but i feel sure i make a better meal than a bag can give them.
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israelissick disagrees: junk


You may call it junk but I thought it was a pretty indepth, unbiased article of how to feed dogs......I myself feed human food to my dogs but I have never given them bones exactly for the reasons this vet discussed....I'm not taking a chance on harming my dogs with splintered bones, his xrays proved that it could happen.
People can feed their dogs however, I have no problem with nondry feeding methods, but people need to be cautious with bones. If You call that junk well I guess you have a right to your opinion. I just hope those people that are considering feeding their dogs bones read up on the pros and cons of it.
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