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Old Feb 8, 2006, 05:05 AM
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ban of pit bull dogs

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"Rep. Wesselhoft said the proposed bill will also include provisions designed to bring about an eventual ban of pit bull dogs in the state.
The grandfather clause contained in the bill would allow for the continuing existence of pit bulls currently in Oklahoma. However, pit bull owners would have to have the dogs spayed or neutered, and the animals would need regular rabies shots.
In addition, a pit bull owner would have to be age 21 or older and would be required to have a $100,000 liability insurance policy on every pit bull.
Also, each pit bull would have to be tattooed or otherwise marked when it is registered with the state. Owners would not be able to sell or transfer the dogs to other individuals in Oklahoma, excluding family members. And a person living in Oklahoma will not be able to bring in a new pit bull from out of state.
After those pit bulls that are allowed to remain in Oklahoma under the grandfather clause of the proposed bill die of old age, Wesselhoft said there should be very few pit bulls remaining in the state, if any."


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Old Mar 9, 2006, 12:56 AM   #31  
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What they are are high energy dogs with not enough spent aggression.
That's the part that myself and others have a problem with - the high aggression level.

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MOWERMAN2468 agrees: sooooooooooooo right. the agression level is the problem, and anyone that thinks it is not genetically inclined needs to go back to biology class.
 
 
     
 
 
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Hi,
Pit Bulls do have a high Aggression Level, being more Aggressive than some other breeds. I really beleive in the saying "There are no bad dogs, just untrained owners".
Any breed can be trained, can be taught to not be so aggressive; not to be "boss" all the time. But, the problem is the owner. If owners do not want to take the time to go to training classes with their Pit Bull and work with them, they should not have one.
The key words are "should not". The law will change it to "shall not" be allowed.
It's a pity some dog owners ruin things for all dog owners. However, that's why laws have to be made. Everyone is not going to do what they should; hence, laws.

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MOWERMAN2468 agrees: here again, it may, may have something to do with the owners, but deep down it is genetics.
 
 
     
 
 
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That's the part that myself and others have a problem with - the high aggression level.

The aggression only gets high if the energy is not spent, that can apply to any breed. That's why you see psycho poodles(not picking on poodles, just an example) barking like mad when you walk by their house. When you see a calm dog, it's not just that they are low energy, but it also means they are getting adequate amounts of exercise and are submissive to their owners. They understand the order of things.
 
 
     
 
 
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That's why you see psycho poodles(not picking on poodles, just an example) barking like mad when you walk by their house.
Funny though, you rarely hear of psycho poodles ripping an infant to shreds.
 
 
     
 
 
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*L* there is NOT a complete ban on pitties in Ontario, we can keep our dogs, they have to be registered, spayed/neutured and muzzled when in public.

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a pack of chi's attacked a police officer.....two labX's just killed a pom, poodles have more aggression than pits do. It's all in the training.
 
 
     
 
 
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poodles have more aggression than pits do.
Can you provide any proof of that? I'd be interested to see that.
 
 
     
 
 
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In 2003, 13 years after the ban on 'pit bulls' was implemented, Winnipeg reported 166 dog bites caused by the following dog breeds:

Shepherd cross (38), Terrier cross (11), Rottweiler (11), Lab cross (10), German Shepherd (8), Husky cross (7), Border Collie cross (7), Bearded Collie cross (6), Rottweiler cross (5), Chow cross (5), Lab (5), Great Dane cross (3), Golden Retriever (3), Dalmation (3), Poodle cross (2), Golden Retriever cross (2), Cocker Spaniel cross (2), Boxer cross (2), Australian Shepherd cross (2), Terrier (2), Pomeranian (2), Chow Chow (2), Boxer (2), Border Collie (2), Samoyed cross (1), Mastiff cross (1), Heeler cross (1), Great Pyrennes cross (1), Doberman cross (1), Dachshund cross (1), Dalmation cross (1), Corgi cross (1), Akita cross (1), Springer Spaniel (1), Siberian Husky (1), Shih Tzu (1), 'Pit bull' type (1), Miniature Schnauzer (1), Irish Setter (1), Great Dane (1), Doberman Pinscher (1), Dachshund (1), Cocker Spaniel (1), Bull Mastiff (1), Brittany Spaniel (1), Bloodhound (1), Bichon Frise (1), Akita (1).
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If I were considering a Standard Poodle...


My major concerns would be:


Unstable temperaments. Poodles are a dime a dozen, and most of them are bred and offered for sale by people who don't have the slightest idea of how to breed good-tempered dogs. Obedience instructors and behavioral consultants see LOTS of Poodles with neurotic behaviors, including aggression, extreme fearfulness, and hyperactivity.
If you have small children, or if you or anyone who lives with you is elderly or infirm, I do not recommend Standard Poodle puppies. The temptation to play roughly is too strong in many young Standard Poodles.



and I know my late grandfather is no expert, he had a pom Kennel, and he boarded dogs also, he would not allow poodles in the yard. Our late pitty was the kindest gentlest dog, but our toy poodle, at age 9 yrs, jumped up from sleeping on my brothers lap (age 15) and tore into his nose, for no reason at all, he wasn't even petting her, this was a dog we allowed to sleep with the grandchildren, my brother recieved 3 stitches. I like poodles, don't get me wrong, I just couldn't own another, I've very mistrustful of them.

punish the owners, not the breed please.
 
 
     
 
 
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Melinda, are you trying to confuse people that have their mind made up with a bunch of facts?

It is interesting that most of them are crosses. Is this a matter of the few problem owners taking what they get free? Somebody is going to have to dig up a big bunch of facts to convince me aggression is a mixed breed problem. I wonder how many non typical purebreds are labeled mixes? A ban is going to be easier to enforce against purebreds. How do you know if a mixed breed really is a Pit Bull? How many of you have looked at http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?t=22504 Who is to say for sure if the 2 month old Puppy he found really is a Pit Bull?

So has the average number of bites gone down with the ban on Pit Bulls? If not, repeal it.
 
 
     
 
 
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Melinda, it's interesting that bites by shephard crosses far outnumber bites by the rest of the dog breeds. Yet I have never heard of a ban on shepherds... although where I am living we have a "dangerous dog" bylaw, and shepherds are included in the list.

I agree with you about poodles. I've always found them to be nervous and high strung, and thus more apt to nip and bite. Our next door neighbor has a standard poodle and I am afraid of it when it gets out of the yard.
 
 
     


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