Forgive me if this question has already been asked and talked about. I am enrolled with Kennedy-Western, and now have a bad feeling about them. I cannot find where they are an "Accredited" postsecondary school, only licensed in the state of Wyoming. Does anyone know and can prove to me that they are accredited by a viable US Agency? I appreciate any help!

bigdman

So, we are all being untruthful and you are all-knowing on this subject, not having any personal experience with Warren?? I would immediately suspect someone of either spiteful intentions, or personal gain, who would post discrediting fact's about one institution, while claiming to be a professor. No professor's I know 'and I know dozen's', would officially post to an internet blog about a competing institution. As anyone should know, every University in the nation has been involved in legal disputes, that is a fact. The fact also remains that Warren/ KWU won suit's that have been filed against them, several in fact. Yours is a classic example of "accredited puristicism", you think that any unaccredited program is not as good as yours, false. Good attempt at scare tactic's but fortunately people can research and think for themselves!

bigdman

Also, the degree is factually not "illegal", that is at the very least an inappropriate statement. Warren's degree's have been upheld in Superior court through the US free trade laws. You simply are not correct and should have better information when making such assertions.

bigdman

"They will waive about 50% of any degree for any "life experience".

Another false statement. I had an accredited two year degree, one year at a University and another accredited technical degree when admitted to Warren. I had to take 2 1/2 years worth of courses to satisfy my degree requirement's. Again, do a little more research, if your a professor as you say, there's no excuse for such erroneous responses.

AllyJo

ProfessorR is it??

If you want to talk about a diploma mill, then you need to look at Almeda University. You can get a degree there in just a few weeks or even days. Did you you know that Oxford University hasn't always been accredited? I guess it was a terrible college for years, right? Also, Bob Jones University in NC is not accredited and is a wonderful university, offering mainly seminary degrees. Guess you wouldn't go to church if you knew your Pastor graduated from there, since all unaccredited colleges MUST be diploma mills and their graduates must be idiots, right? How ridiculous. Sounds like you need to go back to school Professor!!!

ProfessorR

Yes, Almeda is another unaccredited instiution to avoid, like Kennedy Western a/k/a Warren National University, Rochville, and the rest.

To support the facts, you can read the Senate Hearing that investigated kennedy western University

From an undercover agent, Claudia Gelzer, who enrolled at Kennedy Western University.
*"Kennedy Western was prepared to waive 6 master's level classes in engineering based soley on my CLAIMS of professional experience"

Of the 5 remaining courses, she completed two graduate courses in 16 hours. These "courses" consisted of 1 open book exam, where she picked terms out of the glossary. Read the Senate investigation, it is public record.

*"In fact, documents produced by Kennedy Western indicated that nearly half of all students in the Master's program have received more than 55% credit for their experience"

There is also testimony from a fomer employee:
"As an admission counselor, I was required to call between 120 and 125 perspective students per day, trying to convince them that they should apply to Kennedy Western.

...The problem is, much of our sales pitch was not true. There is no admissions board. Applications were reviewed by one person. Of course, the applicant had excellent chances of getting in. In fact, I had never heard of an applicant being rejected.

We were also instructed to tell applicants applicants that they would be taking the same classes that students took at real schools, like Harvard or Princeton. I went to a real school, Kennedy Western is not a real school."

And, yes, there are a dozen states where it is illegal to use unaccredited degrees outright, with long disclaimers, or with restrictions. There is a current case of a Texas official who was discovered holding a Kennedy Western degree, who had to take it off resumes, stationery, and marketing materials.

Just the facts.
Look elsewhere, there are many legitimate online courses out there.

ProfessorR

"Also, the degree is factually not "illegal", that is at the very least an inappropriate statement. Warren's degree's have been upheld in Superior court through the US free trade laws. You simply are not correct and should have better information when making such assertions."

The use of unaccredited Kennedy Western / WNU degree titles is legally restricted or illegal in some jurisdictions.

Jurisdictions that have restricted or made illegal the use of credentials from unaccredited schools include Oregon Michigan, Maine, North Dakota, New Jersey, Washington, Nevada llinois Indiana, and Texas. You can check

WNU is also restricted from accepting students from Oregon, California Utah

Many other states are also considering restrictions on unaccredited degree use in order to help prevent fraud.

You can check with the Oregon office of Degree Authorization or the Specific state sites to see what the illegality / disclaimer / limited use restrictions are by state. The wording varies, but for example in Texas:

The State of Texas calls Warren National "University" a:

Fraudulent or Substandard Institution with No Known Texas Connection

Fraudulent or substandard degree" means a degree conferred in Texas in violation of the Texas Education Code

bigdman

I am familiar with the reference you are citing, but apparently you have not researched it much, other than to cite direct quotes from a Google search. The restriction's you are mentioning, are that A) you cannot claim a degree from Warren to be an accredited degree and B) in some States you cannot procure a Government job with a Warren degree, again on the basis of requiring an accredited degree. Your reference to Washington in incorrect. Washington passed a motion to provide for such a bill, but it did not pass final vote. I am not familiar with Texas' law on the subject, but for as for any law in Texas specifically mentioning a Warren degree, I am very skeptical.

bigdman

With specific regard to Washington State, the following bill language applies to a degree from Warren. The subsection referencing "is an entity authorized as a degree granting institution by the board of higher education" applies.
Warren has always been licensed by the Wyoming board of higher education to confer degrees.
Another section that applies, references "in the process of applying for accredation".
Warren has been in the process of applying for accredation since 2005, which is a four-year process, I verified with the accrediting agency.

So, in other words, there are two section's, specific to the State of Washington bill you referenced, that was modified and did pass after several alterations, allows for a Warren degree to be used in that State in it's final form.

AllyJo

ProfessorR, regardless of what you have read, I actually experienced KWU and it is not a diploma mill. I know people who have worked at accredited universities and will complain about the university's ethics (or lack thereof), and contend that they, too, will fib to students to get them to enroll.

It doesn't matter what you post on here or what you claim you've read, I actually experienced a KWU education, am now enrolled at an accredited university pursuing my Masters (graduate this spring), and am very happy with the education I have received thus far. I have experienced all venues of education, from a local business college and university in my home town (where I completed 2 Associates and most of my undergraduate studies), to receiving my Bachelors online (thru KWU), and then pursuing my Masters (LU). All that matters to me is my own opinion and I feel KWU was the most difficult degree to obtain - everyone's experience is different. I don't care what a well-educated woman had to say about trying to pursue a degree she already had. No wonder the course work was easy!!

marktwain403

You first denounce accreditation and then you say approving things of it. Not quite sure what your point is there. From your comments it appears that you got most of your credits from an accredited school. Could that be why you were accepted at other schools instead of your "credits" from the unaccredited school? Seems to me that you got hot under the collar quite quickly. Your experience is contrary to many of the "graduates" from unaccredited schools. Usually the degrees from unaccredited schools are not worth much, although there are a few exceptions, such as Bob Jones University. But the exceptions are extremely rare compared to the huge number of worthless "schools" without accreditation.