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    #61

    Jun 14, 2012, 02:33 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    So if there's no difference I guess we're all wasting our breath and our vote.
    Hi Steve,

    Best to see Tom on that one. He provided the quote:

    Part of the bourgeoisie is desirous of redressing social grievances, in order to secure the continual existence of bourgeois society

    I am pretty sure he also said on a number of occasion that when it comes to the welfare state both parties argue over who is better qualified to manage these affairs.

    Tut
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    Jun 14, 2012, 07:03 AM
    Yes I provided the Marx quote . He also saw an inherent evil in private charity . In the central command and control system that the progressives favor ,charity is best served by the government and utilized to expand their power..
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    Jun 14, 2012, 07:29 AM
    You mean if its not tax deductible then no one will contribute to charity? Actually the propsal was to lower the deduction from 33% to 28%. For incomes above a thresh hold that doesn't evem apply to 95% of the wage earners.

    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articl...ons.aspx#page1

    Fee-for-service is the single largest financial support for non-profits – about half of all revenue. Government grants provide another 30 percent. Charitable contributions are just 12 percent, with investment income accounting for the remainder.

    Steuerle called for prohibiting deductions for the first $500 for individuals and $1,000 for families, since most economists believe this would not affect giving; better policing of in-kind contributions, since the value deducted often far exceeds the actual cash delivered to charities; and adjusting the foundation pay-out rules to even out giving over the business cycle.

    The CBO report, which used data from the 2006 tax year, said adopting a floor before the deduction kicked in, if coupled with limiting the deduction to a 25 percent refundable tax credit (which would lessen its value for filers in higher tax brackets), would generate an additional $1.5 billion a year for charity. At the same time, it would cut the $1.3 trillion budget deficit by $2.4 billion a year.
    How about this one,

    http://www.nationalmemo.com/public-s...st-red-states/

    As we've written before (article, white paper), the 11 states that the Republicans took over during the 2010 midterm elections – Alabama, Indiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin – account for 40.5 percent of the total losses. By itself, Texas accounts for an additional 31 percent of the total losses. So these 12 states account for over 70 percent of total public sector job losses in 2011. This is even more important because there was a continued decline in public sector workers in 2011 even though the economy was no longer in free fall.
    I guess the president isn't entirely to blame on the economy.

    http://www.nationofchange.org/why-ec...ear-1339597353

    Can I say this any more simply? The earnings of the great American middle class fueled the great American expansion for three decades after World War II. Their relative lack of earnings in more recent years set us up for the great American bust.
    Get it? We won't get out of first gear until the middle class regains the bargaining power it had in the first three decades after World War II to claim a much larger share of the gains from productivity growth.
    Now can we drop this LIE, about who are the REAL job creators, and who are the rich and greedy? I think you conservatives are just the lookouts while the gang robs us ordinary people. No, its not just rhetoric from the left, because we all see the dust from the bandits going RIGHT, and you guys say they went thataway, and point Left.
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    Jun 28, 2012, 06:19 AM
    Here it is, the ultimate reason to vote for Obama - nearly 65% of those polled think Obama would handle an alien invasion better than Romney. It's probably because he's one of them.
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    Jun 28, 2012, 06:26 AM
    LOL, I hope they have their papers on them. If they land in Arizona they go to jail if they don't.

    I can see Apaio saying "papers please?". Then deporting them.
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    Jun 28, 2012, 06:46 AM
    Good one Tal, they're aliens so they are probably much more advanced than we are and know better than to land in Arizona. Or Texas, we're all armed to the teeth you know.
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    #67

    Jun 28, 2012, 04:00 PM
    Little green men or little brown men it's all the same, shot it, bag it and tag it
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    Jun 29, 2012, 04:42 AM
    What if the aliens have better guns? Just asking. I would be cautious about some one who could fly through that far in a space ship.

    I think I've seen to many movies. The wife says they are already here, and would go to McDonald's before they went to the White House.
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    Jun 29, 2012, 05:57 AM
    So you think the aliens like chew and spew or that they see the golden arches as a welcome sign, get out the Frank Ifield now
    Frank Ifield - I remember you (1962) - YouTube
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    Jun 29, 2012, 06:56 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    What if the aliens have better guns? Just asking. I would be cautious about some one who could fly thru that far in a space ship.

    I think I've seen to many movies. The wife says they are already here, and would go to McDonald's before they went to the White House.
    Agent K is a Texan you know.
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    Jul 1, 2012, 01:08 AM
    Texans won't get you out of it they caused the last mess
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    Jul 1, 2012, 09:04 AM
    Don't mess with Texas Clete!!
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    Jul 2, 2012, 07:39 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Texans won't get you out of it they caused the last mess
    Barnie Frank is not a Texan.
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    Jul 2, 2012, 03:24 PM
    George Bush is a texan we can thank him for Iraq and going a bit further back GHW Bush is a texan and we can thank him for not finishing the job and Lyndon B Johnson was a texan and he escalated the involvement in Vietnam, so Tal the next texan who puts up his hand, shot him
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    Jul 3, 2012, 06:04 AM
    Perry got shot down in his presidential bid.
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    #76

    Jul 3, 2012, 06:51 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    George Bush is a texan we can thank him for Iraq and going a bit further back GHW Bush is a texan and we can thank him for not finishing the job and Lyndon B Johnson was a texan and he escalated the involvement in Vietnam, so Tal the next texan who puts up his hand, shot him
    Well, maybe if the rest of the world would get off their a$$ and do something you could criticize them for a change instead of projecting all your misery on us.
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    #77

    Jul 3, 2012, 02:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Well, maybe if the rest of the world would get off their a$$ and do something you could criticize them for a change instead of projecting all your misery on us.
    Hey speech I don't have any misery when you stop projecting misery on the world I'll stop sending it back where it came from. I know you don't like to look in the mirror but sometimes you have too, Just remember it is your country that spends more than the rest of the world combined on the military. What are you afraid of?
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    Jul 3, 2012, 05:17 PM
    With great power comes great responsibility. Admit it ,you like the American deterence.
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    Jul 4, 2012, 03:46 AM
    No I don't like it because realistically we don't need it, I haven't seen a single american warship deter an asylum seeker boat or even rescue one, where was america when East Timor was being ripped apart by Indonesia, in either instance they were nowhere to be seen. However american military power has created the situation where millions of refugees look in our direction to deliver them.

    Your deterence is to keep your own shores safe from I'm unsure what, the North Korean navy, if there is such a thing, the Chinese navy, perhaps the rusting Russian fleet, perhaps the Iran navy. It was used to destroy Iraq, hardly deterence. You see Tom I'm feed up to the teeth with the rhetoric of deterence, MAD no longer impresses in the way it once did.

    No your deterence is to project your military power, as the bully on the block you carry a very big stick, not to mention your Saturday night special
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    Jul 4, 2012, 04:20 AM
    And I'm fed up to the teeth with ingrates that rely on American protection at the same time they complain about it.

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