There was a time in the USA not that long ago when people paid for their own medical care. If they couldn't pay for a doctor, they either went into debt or they had to rely on the generosity of the medical professionals.
Over time, some bright person came up with the idea of medical insurance: I'll collect a few dollars from lot's of different people and put it into a pool, to be used to cover the medical costs of people in the pool as it is needed. Since statistically speaking not everyone gets sick all at the same time, the funds collected from a bunch of people can be used to pay for the expenses of a few. For managing this service, I will collect a fee, and I will invest the money that is in the pool so as to maximize both my profitability and the amount of money available in the pool. And since I represent a lot of patients, I will also have the ability to negotiate for better prices of medical care for my clients. Patients lay out small amounts of money to cover their very large medical expenses. Doctors get guaranteed business fed to them by the insurance company. The insurance company gets a cut of whatever they collect from patients.
Good idea.
Then someone got a bright idea to start offering to pay for a portion of the cost of medical insurance as an emplyment benefit. Especially in industries where compensation was either very competitive or highly regulated, it made sense for companies to offer medical coverage (or a portion thereof) as a relatively low-cost benefit, a perk for employment.
Note that word... "BENEFIT". As in "a luxury item", something offered to sweeten a deal.
As time went on, more and more people asked for this particular benefit until most companies were offering it as a matter of course. Anyone employed by a company of 10 people or more just naturally came to expect this benefit as part of their employment package. If you worked, you expected to get medical benefits.
This continued until now... until suddenly this benefit, this perk, this luxury item, is suddenly being seen as a RIGHT that everyone should have as a matter of law.
When did something that started out as a luxury item, a benefit, become a right that the government has to guarantee us under the law?
ex, we don't need Republicans to lie about it, the Dems are lying about it enough themselves, they've perfected the art of the Trojan Horse. That's how they won Congress in 2006 and they haven't changed their ways since.
Here's Obama in his own words on what his plan is...
The problem with your "facts", is that you got 'em off that repudiated flow chart. So, your facts, AIN'T facts - they're PROPAGANDA.
excon
No, I get them from the bill itself.
The chart is simply a flow chart of where the money will go, who will provide services to whom, and who is in charge of which agencies. It is a confusing mess, which is my point, but it doesn't give any information about how the plan would operate or how much it would cost.
For that information, you would need to go to the bill itself... which you are afraid to do, because you're afraid of finding out that we're right and your wrong. Though you really should be used to it by now.
As for my facts... like I say, I've always got a source for my factual statements. You tried to call me on not having a source last week, and you got your head handed to you. Haven't you learned your lesson yet?
ex, we don't need Republicans to lie about it, the Dems are lying about it enough themselves,
Hello again, Steve:
I agree. You don't NEED to lie about it, so I dunno why you DO. But, you absolutely DO.
I went to the link you posted: HOT AIR where it says "Barney Frank: Yes, a public plan will lead to a government takeover of health care". But, THAT ISN'T what Barney Frank said. That's the HOT AIR people twisting it to say what THEY want it to say.
The fact is, single payer isn't a "government takeover of health care", any more than medicare was. That is propaganda, pure and simple.
It's a GREAT political phrase, though, and I think it's working. But, it AIN'T true.
I agree. You don't NEED to lie about it, so I dunno why you DO. But, you absolutely DO.
I'd challenge you to list the lies I've spread about Obamacare but I don't think you can name even one.
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I went to the link you posted: HOT AIR where it says "Barney Frank: Yes, a public plan will lead to a government takeover of health care". But, THAT ISN'T what Barney Frank said. That's the HOT AIR people twisting it to say what THEY want it to say.
Let me put it in context for you. He's being questioned by someone from Single Payer Action, advocates for "single payer" health care, on why he won't just come right and push for it. His answer is to tell them he supports it but doesn't have the votes, "I'm all for it, I'm a big sponsor" are his words. He then says, "I think if we get a good public option it could lead to single payer and that's the best way to reach single payer. Saying you'll do nothing until you get single payer is a sure way never to get it."
He is flat out saying this is the first step to single payer health care. Where's the lie?
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The fact is, single payer isn't a "government takeover of health care", any more than medicare was. That is propaganda, pure and simple.
No? This is coming from the guy who insists government being in the room with you and your doctor is no different than what we have now with insurance? You're slipping ex.
I agree. You don't NEED to lie about it, so I dunno why you DO. But, you absolutely DO.
I went to the link you posted: HOT AIR where it says "Barney Frank: Yes, a public plan will lead to a government takeover of health care". But, THAT ISN'T what Barney Frank said. That's the HOT AIR people twisting it to say what THEY want it to say.
The fact is, single payer isn't a "government takeover of health care", any more than medicare was. That is propaganda, pure and simple.
It's a GREAT political phrase, though, and I think it's working. But, it AIN'T true.
excon
Yes, Medicare. I'm on it and it is working. But for how long?
Isn't that the one that is so badly broken that Washington doesn't know how to fix it?
There are already some doctors that will not accept medicare, I think.
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