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Old Dec 9, 2005, 08:14 AM
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The Fight Before Christmas

I offer up the following that appeared today in Long Island Newsday:

http://www.newsday.com/news/printedi...y-linews-print

http://www.newsday.com/news/columnis...ews-columnists

http://www.newsday.com/mynews/ny-g1t...,3051163.story

I don't often agree with Ellis Henican's columns, but I think he's right on the money here.

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nymphetamine : what is wrong with these people?
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Old Dec 9, 2005, 08:36 AM   #2  
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Winterval

The city fathers in Birmingham,UK,several years a go,decided to rename the city festivities as "Winterval",so as not to offend anyone.They did.The church,the public,and most people of all faiths.I was bitterly disappointed,as an agnostic,but certainly not objecting to anyone following their faith,I somehow like the US celebration of Festivus.At least at the end of the night you can grapple the party host to the floor,after telling all the guests what you really think about them.


Watch the video at this link.Let it load first,then simply press play.Dont forget to turn your speakers on:

http://www.vidlit.com/festivus/
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Holy crap - it's a Christmas tree lighting, the symbol of a christian holiday, what the hell did he expect?

That senator is an idiot.
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Holy crap - it's a Christmas tree lighting, the symbol of a christian holiday, what the hell did he expect?

That senator is an idiot.

He expected, and I think reasonably so, that a ceremony being held on town property and sponsored by the town government would not be specific to any one religion.

What was idiotic and unreasonable, was his reaction. Rather than make a big deal out of it, he should have just spoken to the priest privately.

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He expected, and I think reasonably so, that a ceremony being held on town property and sponsored by the town government would not be specific to any one religion.
So why was a priest presiding? And why were they 'blessing' the tree?
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So why was a priest presiding? And why were they 'blessing' the tree?
Apparently they had been rotating clergy each year. The "blessing" was the priest's idea though I doubt if the town board had discussed it with him before hand, which was their mistake.

The priest was quoted as having decided to not do something generic, which means he must have considered the issue. He mentioned that different clergy were asked each year. That should have told him that they were rotating for fairness and that he should have been more secular, even though it was billed as a Christmas Tree lighting.

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Apparently they had been rotating clergy each year. The "blessing" was the priest's idea though I doubt if the town board had discussed it with him before hand, which was their mistake.

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Ah, I see then.
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25 December is Christmas. To those I offend, tough. The constitution guarantees my right to free speech and free practice on my religion. It denies government support of Christianity or anti Christian ideas such as homosexualism is an acceptable life style. The equal protection clause prohibits violence against homosexuals as it should.
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25 December is Christmas. To those I offend, tough. The constitution guarantees my right to free speech and free practice on my religion. It denies government support of Christianity or anti Christian ideas such as homosexualism is an acceptable life style. The equal protection clause prohibits violence against homosexuals as it should.

Umm what does that have to do with this? Especially the homosexuality part. No where was that brought up.

There are two issues at play here. First, was the politician's reaction reasonable (I say no). Second, was the priest correct in not using a secular blessing (I say that's borderline).

The fact is that this ceremony was being held on TOWN property and was sponsored by the TOWN government. On that basis, the priest would have been more circumspect to use a more secular blessing. However, since it was billed as a Christmas Tree lighting, his action may have been justifiable.
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Quick rant

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Personnally I think that this is starting to go a little tooo far.
If everyone is going to complain then cancel it, after all the only reason we have a holiday at this time of year is for religion !!!

So stop with the "Happy Holidays" BS and call it as it is CHRISTMAS, after all Nobody moans about Halloween !!!

If you want to play fair then we should celebrate every religious holiday in every nation worldwide, problem there is we'd never get anything done [/rant]

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