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US To Crumble under a Civil War in 2010

Asked Dec 28, 2008, 08:19 PM — 24 Answers
By ANDREW OSBORN WALL STREET JOURNAL

MOSCOW -- For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the U.S. Will fall apart in 2010. For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument -- that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the U.S. -- very seriously. Now he's found an eager audience: Russian state media.
[Prof. Panarin]


In recent weeks, he's been interviewed as much as twice a day about his predictions. "It's a record," says Prof. Panarin. "But I think the attention is going to grow even stronger."

Prof. Panarin, 50 years old, is not a fringe figure. A former KGB analyst, he is dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's academy for future diplomats. He is invited to Kremlin receptions, lectures students, publishes books, and appears in the media as an expert on U.S.-Russia relations.

But it's his bleak forecast for the U.S. That is music to the ears of the Kremlin, which in recent years has blamed Washington for everything from instability in the Middle East to the global financial crisis. Mr. Panarin's views also fit neatly with the Kremlin's narrative that Russia is returning to its rightful place on the world stage after the weakness of the 1990s, when many feared that the country would go economically and politically bankrupt and break into separate territories.

A polite and cheerful man with a buzz cut, Mr. Panarin insists he does not dislike Americans. But he warns that the outlook for them is dire.

"There's a 55-45% chance right now that disintegration will occur," he says. "One could rejoice in that process," he adds, poker-faced. "But if we're talking reasonably, it's not the best scenario -- for Russia." Though Russia would become more powerful on the global stage, he says, its economy would suffer because it currently depends heavily on the dollar and on trade with the U.S.

Mr. Panarin posits, in brief, that mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation will trigger a civil war next fall and the collapse of the dollar. Around the end of June 2010, or early July, he says, the U.S. Will break into six pieces -- with Alaska reverting to Russian control.


He based the forecast on classified data supplied to him by FAPSI analysts, he says. He predicts that economic, financial and demographic trends will provoke a political and social crisis in the U.S. When the going gets tough, he says, wealthier states will withhold funds from the federal government and effectively secede from the union. Social unrest up to and including a civil war will follow. The U.S. Will then split along ethnic lines, and foreign powers will move in.

California will form the nucleus of what he calls "The Californian Republic," and will be part of China or under Chinese influence. Texas will be the heart of "The Texas Republic," a cluster of states that will go to Mexico or fall under Mexican influence. Washington, D.C., and New York will be part of an "Atlantic America" that may join the European Union. Canada will grab a group of Northern states Prof. Panarin calls "The Central North American Republic." Hawaii, he suggests, will be a protectorate of Japan or China, and Alaska will be subsumed into Russia.

"It would be reasonable for Russia to lay claim to Alaska; it was part of the Russian Empire for a long time." A framed satellite image of the Bering Strait that separates Alaska from Russia like a thread hangs from his office wall. "It's not there for no reason," he says with a sly grin.

Interest in his forecast revived this fall when he published an article in Izvestia, one of Russia's biggest national dailies. In it, he reiterated his theory, called U.S. Foreign debt "a pyramid scheme," and predicted China and Russia would usurp Washington's role as a global financial regulator.

Americans hope President-elect Barack Obama "can work miracles," he wrote. "But when spring comes, it will be clear that there are no miracles."

Edited for length.

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Do you think the demise of AMerica is at hand?


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Dec 28, 2008, 08:56 PM
He may be right about Alaska. We leased it. Lease is up.

Now Sarah Palin can see Russia from her front yard and back yard as well.
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Dec 28, 2008, 09:20 PM
Yeah, lol.

And, I don't think the Russians like folks with guns shootin off their mouth. (pun intended)
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Dec 28, 2008, 09:33 PM
They like them... Tenderized and well done.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html
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Dec 29, 2008, 03:01 AM
He is looking at history through Russian prism. Before the Soviet Union collapsed ,Russia under Yeltsin withheld resources to other regions of the nation . That is why he concludes that the richer American states will follow Russia's example.

He is delusional thinking that the ruble will ever emerge as a regional currency . The Ruskies have devalued the ruble 12 times since their invasion of Georgia. As oil prices drop ,their currency ,very dependent on high oil prices ,will continue to fall in value. Let's see which nation falls first.


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I had never heard before that Alaska was "leased " . If true it was indeed Seward's Folly . But he has that history wrong also.

Actually there is this urban myth in Russia that says there is a claim on Alaska because following the 1917 Russian Revolution the communist government renounced all previous laws and treaties of the czarist government. On that basis the lame claim about Alaska being leased is made.
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Dec 30, 2008, 03:28 PM
I think we may see a lessening of US worldwide influence due to economic reasons.

If conditions here get as bad as in the great depression, I think we can be assured of massive civil unrest in the great cities, at least.

I doubt there will be civil war. I think that would be counter to the interests of the international bankers. Kind of like killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.

Of course, I am well aware that I could be wrong. Anyway, I certainly hope there is no civil war in our future.
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Dec 30, 2008, 03:36 PM
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He may be right about Alaska. We leased it. Lease is up.

Now Sarah Palin can see Russia from her front yard and back yard as well.
(ha, ha, that quote was from Palin's copycat on SNL, not from Palin.)
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Dec 30, 2008, 05:16 PM
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I doubt there will be civil war. I think that would be counter to the interests of the international bankers. Kind of like killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. [quote]

Onward Christian Soldiers. Still a lot of a$$ kicking to do around the world. You are right. They ain't quite finished with us yet.
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Dec 30, 2008, 05:18 PM
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(ha, ha, that quote was from Palin's copycat on SNL, not from Palin.)
Thank you. The two were blurred in the fair and balanced media.
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Dec 30, 2008, 05:45 PM
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I had never heard before that Alaska was "leased " . If true it was indeed Seward's Folly . But he has that history wrong also.

Actually there is this urban myth in Russia that says there is a claim on Alaska because following the 1917 Russian Revolution the communist government renounced all previous laws and treaties of the czarist government. On that basis the lame claim about Alaska being leased is made.
Oh America (not just Alaska) is leased alright, just not to Russia. But that's a whole 'nother topic.

Back on topic...

I can't imagine a civil war breaking out in such a "suburban" nation. I mean, kids aren't even allowed to play foot ball without people compaining about it being to rough.

There won't be a civil war because someone might get hurt.

War with Russia? I'm not ruling one out, at some point in this half of the century.

Besides, 2010 is just a year away, we'd better get cracking if we are going to shart killing each other off. Based on where we are at now, I'd say we are a good bit away form civil way. Financial meltdown? Maybe. And perhaps a bit of looting, but as for an organized civil war with two opposing sides, armies and what not. I doubt it. Having 6 nations.... Please..

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