Top UK Bishop: Sharia Law Is Unavoidable

speechlesstx · Feb 8, 2008, 02:12 PM

First the UK, then???

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Thursday, 7 February 2008

The Archbishop of Canterbury says the adoption of certain aspects of Sharia law in the UK “seems unavoidable”.

Dr Rowan Williams told Radio 4’s World at One that the UK has to “face up to the fact” that some of its citizens do not relate to the British legal system.

Dr Williams argues that adopting parts of Islamic Sharia law would help maintain social cohesion.

For example, Muslims could choose to have marital disputes or financial matters dealt with in a Sharia court.

He says Muslims should not have to choose between “the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty”.

In an exclusive interview with BBC correspondent Christopher Landau, ahead of a lecture to lawyers in London later on Monday, Dr Williams argues this relies on Sharia law being better understood. At the moment, he says “sensational reporting of opinion polls” clouds the issue.

He stresses that “nobody in their right mind would want to see in this country the kind of inhumanity that’s sometimes been associated with the practice of the law in some Islamic states; the extreme punishments, the attitudes to women as well”.

But Dr Williams said an approach to law which simply said “there’s one law for everybody and that’s all there is to be said, and anything else that commands your loyalty or allegiance is completely irrelevant in the processes of the courts - I think that’s a bit of a danger”.

“There’s a place for finding what would be a constructive accommodation with some aspects of Muslim law, as we already do with some other aspects of religious law.” …

Anybody for a little Sharia law?

magprob · Feb 10, 2008, 08:39 PM

Personally, I think it is a great idea. The first person that gets his hand cut off for stealing will send a clear message to the rest of the criminal scumbags out there. Honor killings are a pretty good idea also.

speechlesstx · Feb 12, 2008, 05:23 AM

The archbishop says his words have been distorted but must "take responsibility for any unclarity...and for any misleading choice of words." Really, really poor choice of words IMHO. Speaking of a poor choice of words, what did al-AP mean by this?

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Williams said in a British Broadcasting Corp. interview aired Thursday that some aspects of Shariah law, a venerable Islamic code of conduct, already fit easily within the British legal system, and he agreed when asked if its implementation was inevitable.

ven·er·a·ble

1. Commanding respect by virtue of age, dignity, character, or position.
2. Worthy of reverence, especially by religious or historical association: venerable relics.
3. Venerable Abbr. Ven. or V.

a. Roman Catholic Church Used as a form of address for a person who has reached the first stage of canonization.
b. Used as a form of address for an archdeacon in the Anglican Church or the Episcopal Church.

NeedKarma · Feb 12, 2008, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tickle

okay, so, first UK then Canada and then........

Naw, we're still ok here:
Quebec gives thumbs down to Shariah law

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Members of the National Assembly have given unanimous support across party lines to a motion blocking the use of Islamic courts in Quebec.

speechlesstx · Feb 12, 2008, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Naw, we're still ok here:
Quebec gives thumbs down to Shariah law

And we are proud of you for it

NeedKarma · Feb 12, 2008, 06:50 AM

It's a subject kind of close to me since my parents spent 2 years in Saudia Arabia. Guess what rules my mother had to follow? She was happy to be home.

tomder55 · Feb 12, 2008, 07:10 AM

I spend some time in Iran when my father was there. It appeared to me that the Iranians were better off then than now . From my study of the subject the large majority of Iranian youth reject the Mullocracy and long for the freedom that the revolution promised.

speechlesstx · Feb 13, 2008, 08:10 AM

Multiple wives will mean multiple benefits

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Husbands with multiple wives have been given the go-ahead to claim extra welfare benefits following a year-long Government review, The Sunday Telegraph can reveal.

The outcome will chiefly benefit Muslim men with more than one wife, as is permitted under Islamic law. Ministers estimate that up to a thousand polygamous partnerships exist in Britain, although they admit there is no exact record.

The decision has been condemned by the Tories, who accused the Government of offering preferential treatment to a particular group, and of setting a precedent that would lead to demands for further changes in British law.

New guidelines on income support from the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) state: "Where there is a valid polygamous marriage the claimant and one spouse will be paid the couple rate ... The amount payable for each additional spouse is presently £33.65."

Income support for all of the wives may be paid directly into the husband's bank account, if the family so choose. Under the deal agreed by ministers, a husband with multiple wives may also be eligible for additional housing benefit and council tax benefit to reflect the larger property needed for his family.

The ruling could cost taxpayers millions of pounds. Ministers launched a review of the benefit rules for polygamous marriages in November 2006, after it emerged that some families had benefited financially.

The review concluded in December last year with agreement that the extra benefits should continue to be paid, the Government admitted. The decision was not publicly announced.

Looks like the door has already been opened in the UK whether the people like it or not.

speechlesstx · Feb 19, 2008, 10:41 AM

More Sharia updates:

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A new sharia law controversy erupted last night over Government plans to issue special "Islamic bonds" to pay for Gordon Brown's public-spending programme by raising money from the Middle East.

Britain is to become the first Western nation to issue bonds approved by Muslim clerics in line with sharia law, which bans conventional loans involving interest payments as "sinful".

The scheme would mark one of the most significant economic advances of sharia law in the non-Muslim world.

It will lead to the ownership of Government buildings and other assets currently belonging to British taxpayers being switched wholesale to wealthy Middle-Eastern businessmen and banks.

The Government sees sharia-compliant bonds as a way of tapping Middle-East money and building bridges with the Muslim community.

But critics say the scheme would waste money and could undermine Britain's financial and legal systems.

Dial-a-marriage, eh!

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Islamic law allows telephone nuptials, which enables Muslims to sponsor loved ones to Canada

Long-distance telephone marriages can be dialled up under sharia law and then used to sponsor loved ones into Canada, Muslim leaders say.

Two Muslim leaders have told the Toronto Sun telephone marriages are permissible under Islamic law and require two witnesses and imams here and abroad to conduct the vows, which may have the bride in Pakistan and the groom in Toronto.

Once completed, a marriage certificate is obtained abroad legitimately in Muslim countries and can be used by the groom for sponsoring his new wife to Canada, one Mississauga imam said.

Mumtaz Ali, of the Canadian Association of Muslims, said he conducted a telephone marriage between a student in Toronto and his about-to-be wife in India.

"He was a university student and couldn't leave," Ali said. "It is a civil contract and the vows were conducted over the phone."

A marriage certificate was obtained and the student was able to sponsor his wife to Canada, he said.

The vow takes less than five minutes and a dowry is exchanged to seal the ceremony, Ali said.

Discrimination against woman is OK says Amsterdam major

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It’s one of those basic Western politenesses, giving each other a handshake at the beginning of a meeting. Men, woman, it does not matter, we don’t think about casual things like this. We can not really empathize with somebody who thinks woman are inferior, dirty and impure. Thus when Muslim say, I don’t want to shake you’re hand, you’re a woman. We are confused, if not shocked.

But not Amsterdam mayor Job Cohen. The same mayor who was named Time Magazine Hero of 2005, the “hate buster” that was “key to the city”. The socialist mayor was not confused or shocked, he actually thought is was OK if his government employees discriminated against woman by refusing to give them a hand. He wants that people respect these Muslim employees who think that woman are impure and should not be given a hand.

The mayor told this after questions, in the city council, of local Christian politician Maurice Limmen. In the ensuing debate he said it did not matter if government workers discriminated against woman or homosexuals. As long as they did their work, he did not see any problem. He was explicitly referring to street coaches and social security personnel. The street coaches are a kind of light police force, who work in the predominately Muslim neighborhoods. The statements of the major show that the city of Amsterdam is creating a parallel systems for Muslims, by Muslims and based on Muslim values.



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