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Oct 28, 2008, 06:20 AM
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| | | And the survey says… OK all you Obama supporters, tell us why you’re voting for Obama. What proposal of his is going to benefit you, your family, your neighbor, your job, the economy, your country, the world? Specifics please. | | | | | | |
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Oct 29, 2008, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by spitvenom My Grandma called me racist against white people cause I am voting for Obama and I'm white. But the funny part is she is such a yellow dog Dem she is voting for him too or as she says I am voting with my party.
I am getting sick of hearing everyone say well if you don't vote for Obama then you are racist. Just because you don't vote for Obama does not make you racist. Unless you say I am not voting for Obama because he is black, then your a racist. | I do agree. |
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Oct 29, 2008, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BABRAM Steve, ZoeMarie was being tongue-in-cheek, but to answer your question I'll never stop assaulting racists and I do hope that bothers you. Capisci?! | Once again you've completely missed the point. |
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Oct 29, 2008, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx It is factually true that those "who don't fall under the cult of personality of Obama or simply don't agree with his political agenda get labeled as racists," so when are y'all going to stop doing that? | No we don't, and thinking that we do label anyone who doesn't like Obama racist tells me more about you than it does about us. There is no cult, that's in your mind too. As been stated previously, the Republican model of trickle down doesn't work it only benefits the top 5 percent who also take their Bush/Republican extra tax savings and ship American jobs overseas. They invest in places and people outside of America.
If the tax breaks go to the middle class and we restore the Reagan era tax rates to the rich (like Obama proposes), then more money stays in America in the hands of the middle class who will spend it in America.
McCain wants unfettered free markets, but we've seen what happens when we remove regulatory oversite of the free markets; hedge fund managers make 600 million dollars and pay only 15 percent tax. They do this fraudulently by bundling crap with other investments and now it's caught up with them and the Fed has to bail them out with our tax dollars to the tune of One Trillion or more. If that isn't tax relief for the rich, I don't know what is, and all those who profited from the unregulated Bush times go home richer than rich and don't have to pay the tax payers a single dime with the exception of their Bush supplied low tax rates.
Free markets are fine and Obama understands this, but unlike Bush/Republican ideology you can't have your free markets running on greed, corruption and fraud against the American people. If you swing to much to the right you get greed and corruption the same if you swing to far to the left. Obama and the Democrats are centrists who will let the good part of free market work well where it can, and oversee the part of free market that have been abused and led to the worst finanical crisis our country has seen since 1929 under the Bush/Republican/RightWing/Neocon/Conservative ideology.
McCain has no specifics how he will get us out of this mess, because he can't tell the American people that his ideology is the same as Bush's and that it will lead to more of the same. So him and Palin try and distract you with appeals to patriotism and attack Obama when it is McCain/Palin that are the greatest danger to this country because they are so tied to an ideology which doesn't work, America will cease to be the world's economic superpower and the gap between rich and poor will become so extreme that American's will suffer. Yet, this is exactly what Republican business owners want, they don't want to improve the lives of all American's they want cheaper labor so they can make more profit for themselves. Why do you think the minimum wage didn't rise for 10 years under a Republican congress?
I think you need to look at the issues, at least Obama supporters do. All you can do is accuse us of calling you racist. Yet, each any every Obama supporter I have met know the issues much more than you do.
I think you've been drinking the kool-aid of the right wing radio programs too much. |
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Oct 29, 2008, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx Once again you've completely missed the point. |
I've read your posts. I could get more illumination out a key-chain flashlight.  |
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Oct 29, 2008, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Emland Why do people who don't fall under the cult of personality of Obama or simply don't agree with his political agenda get labeled as racists? | Because it is a good way to shut you up. Evil doesn't like to be drawn out into the light where it knows it will die. |
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Oct 29, 2008, 03:04 PM
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| Imagine that :
if you don't fall under the cult of personality of Obama or simply don't agree with his political agenda
You are a racist .
I love the depth of that logic .The depth of ....lets say...Spike Lee Quote:
SPIKE LEE: I say, it's very simple. You have B.B.: Before Barack and A.B.: After Barack.
LEE: What he's done is historic. This coalition which he's gotten: black, white, Hispanic, Asian, gay, straight, whatever. It's come together, and this has never been done before. And I think this thing is, predeortained or whatever you want to call it. I'm not gonna say that it's God. But this is not a mistake this is happening now. I don't think it's a mistake it's happening, that he's here when this country is at its lowest in many, many years. | http://www.mofopolitics.com/2008/10/...a-preordained/ |
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Oct 29, 2008, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TexasParent No we don't, and thinking that we do label anyone who doesn't like Obama racist tells me more about you than it does about us. There is no cult, that's in your mind too. As been stated previously, the Republican model of trickle down doesn't work it only benefits the top 5 percent who also take their Bush/Republican extra tax savings and ship American jobs overseas. They invest in places and people outside of America. | Tex, think of my answer in the context of what and who I actually replied to. Bobby said it was “factually true” in response to Emland’s question, “Why do people who don't fall under the cult of personality of Obama or simply don't agree with his political agenda get labeled as racists?” What the heck is someone supposed to say to something as outrageous and nonsensical as that? Quote: |
If the tax breaks go to the middle class and we restore the Reagan era tax rates to the rich (like Obama proposes), then more money stays in America in the hands of the middle class who will spend it in America.
| You’re assuming Obama is going to actually give the middle class a tax break. I don’t trust ANY politician when it comes to taxes, especially one with plans for a trillion dollars in new spending that wants to give tax breaks to people that pay no taxes. Quote: |
McCain wants unfettered free markets, but we've seen what happens when we remove regulatory oversite of the free markets; hedge fund managers make 600 million dollars and pay only 15 percent tax. They do this fraudulently by bundling crap with other investments and now it's caught up with them and the Fed has to bail them out with our tax dollars to the tune of One Trillion or more. If that isn't tax relief for the rich, I don't know what is, and all those who profited from the unregulated Bush times go home richer than rich and don't have to pay the tax payers a single dime with the exception of their Bush supplied low tax rates.
| That’s totally made up, McCain (or any other politician that I know of) has never shown he wants “unfettered free markets.” In fact McCain co-sponsored legislation with Chuck Hagel “that would have required Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to adhere to responsible lending practices and loan-to-value standards” while Obama wrote letters. Quote: |
Free markets are fine and Obama understands this, but unlike Bush/Republican ideology you can't have your free markets running on greed, corruption and fraud against the American people. If you swing to much to the right you get greed and corruption the same if you swing to far to the left. Obama and the Democrats are centrists who will let the good part of free market work well where it can, and oversee the part of free market that have been abused and led to the worst finanical crisis our country has seen since 1929 under the Bush/Republican/RightWing/Neocon/Conservative ideology.
| Obama and the Democrats are centrists? Since when? How is the most liberal Senator in the Senate, the guy who “chose his friends very carefully” including Marxist professors, hung out with an unrepentant terrorist, partied with PLO sympathizers, mentored by a racist pastor and votes 100% in line with Planned Parenthood a centrist? Quote:
McCain has no specifics how he will get us out of this mess, because he can't tell the American people that his ideology is the same as Bush's and that it will lead to more of the same. So him and Palin try and distract you with appeals to patriotism and attack Obama when it is McCain/Palin that are the greatest danger to this country because they are so tied to an ideology which doesn't work, America will cease to be the world's economic superpower and the gap between rich and poor will become so extreme that American's will suffer. Yet, this is exactly what Republican business owners want, they don't want to improve the lives of all American's they want cheaper labor so they can make more profit for themselves. Why do you think the minimum wage didn't rise for 10 years under a Republican congress?
I think you need to look at the issues, at least Obama supporters do. All you can do is accuse us of calling you racist. Yet, each any every Obama supporter I have met know the issues much more than you do.
I think you've been drinking the kool-aid of the right wing radio programs too much.
| I’ve already shown elsewhere on this board that the “income inequality gap" has been closing, that wages don’t remain stagnant, and that the majority of households in America are in the top 3 income quintiles. I not only look at the issues, I look at the facts…and I don’t insult others the first time I interact with them. That says a whole lot more about you than it does us. |
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Oct 29, 2008, 03:20 PM
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Oct 29, 2008, 03:31 PM
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| Originally Posted by Emland
Why do people who don't fall under the cult of personality of Obama or simply don't agree with his political agenda get labeled as racist?
I am voting for Obama and don't think that everyone that isn't voting for him is racist. But why is it that mostly everyone that isn't voting for him tend to think or say that black people are only voting for him because he is black? That isn't true because I know some that is doing the opposite. So what cult do these people fall under? |
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Oct 29, 2008, 03:52 PM
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