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    Mar 17, 2009, 06:43 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I think the question was "what's the good in calling Islamic terrorism "man-caused" disasters?"
    Hello again, Steve:

    I don't know what the good in calling it "Islamic terrorism" does either? I also don't expect you to understand what I just said.

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    Mar 17, 2009, 07:20 AM
    Words do in fact matter, call it what it is and stop whitewashing it. No one whitewashes it when they complain to this day of Christian atrocities during the Crusades, or witch burnings or whatever injustice allegedly perpetrated by Christians. Muslim clerics all across Jihadistan don’t mince words about Jewish “apes and pigs.” I’ll be damned if I’m going to do nothing while history is revised and our children are re-educated so as not to offend Islamic terrorists so we can appease the very people who live for our destruction. It’s a monumental mistake to do things that will lead to the very complacency the left complains about to this day that allegedly existed in the Bush administration prior to 9/11. Does that mean we shouldn’t engage the Islamic community? No, but doing so while surrendering to the cold, hard, deadly facts of Islamic terrorism is beyond stupid. It is terrorism in the name of Islam and nothing else.
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    Mar 17, 2009, 07:40 AM
    More "words" that don't matter. Andrew Sullivan compared Bush interrogation techniques to the Gestapo.

    The Gestapo's list of torture techniques that fit into their "enhanced interrogation program" - a torture regime designed to avoid too-obvious or incriminating physical scars...

    Bush and Cheney were, in fact, more brutal in their "enhanced interrogation" than the Gestapo was. And note that I am not engaging in the slightest hyperbole here. I'm not saying that the US is Nazi Germany in any way. I am saying that the torture program used by Bush and Cheney follows exactly the specific methods used by the Gestapo. This is not in any historical dispute, although the irony of using the exact same phrase for the exact same methods is one reason the Bushies dropped the term.

    No, there's not the "slightest hyperbole" in saying Bush was worse than the Gestapo and that it isn't in "any historical dispute" based on a Gestapo manual. Uh right, like the Gestapo followed the manual. I didn’t see electric shocks to the hands, feet, ears and genitalia or crushing a man's testicles in a vice and then off to the death chamber in the manual... or in the Red cross report.
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    Mar 17, 2009, 07:55 AM

    Hello again, Steve:

    I didn't say words don't matter. I said that labeling the particular form of terrorism that we're experiencing as "Islamic Terrorism", is mislabeling it. Plus, it doesn't do us any good to do so.

    You should pay closer attention to the WORDS I use. I do.

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    Mar 17, 2009, 08:33 AM
    Admittedly I'm not very good with cryptic language. All I find you've explicitly identified about "the particular form of terrorism that we're experiencing" is "it."

    Whatever you're referring to I was referring specifically to what Napolitano was asked about... Islamic terrorism.

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