[tomder55]

This is nothing less than the criminalization of politics . It's how the Chinese do it .
Everyone I mentioned except the Huckster is either under investigation by the Holder Justice Dept or is indicted . What is D'Souza's crime ? He made a movie about the emperor .
Meanwhile Holder rubber stamped the IRS targeting of Tea Party groups.He refuses to appointment of a special prosecutor.

[smoothy]

That is why the lefties are so intent on disarming the population... they clearly have no use for the constitution and are clearly on the path to declaring themselves dictators very much like the USSR... where you had one party rule and you got to "elect" the one person who could run. Or more like Chavez did. He was Obamas hero... he had a Chavez poster in his campaign office in the early days. Heaven help the person who ran against Chavez... which are not that much different than what the Obama flunkies are doing now in a somewhat more restrained way.

[paraclete]

You don't need to disarm the population to have proper gun control and the whole question could be resolved by weapons kept in armories Chavez is now history and he did in Venezuela what needed to be done, changing the society he can be admired for his accomplishments without needing to use his methods

[smoothy]

You don't know much about Venezuela then... how it was before (not very many years ago it was one of the most prosperous south American countries)and the true third world joke it has become. Chavez and his thugs destroyed that country. It will take generations to recover from it if it ever does. And his hand picked successor is no different..

You just haven't had a egotistical meglomaniac like Obama yet.....if that ever happens your country won't be able to defend against it. THe fact we are so well armed has prevented Obama and his brain damaged minions from disolving Congress and appointing him supreme leader for life.

In fact Obamas own words point towards that.......where despite the Constitution and the fact we have three coequal branches of government...he has actually said he's going to do whatever he wants despite what the other two branches might say.....if thats not Treason and high crimes....and dictatorial behaviour....nothing is.

[paraclete]

as you said the branches are coequal so therefore he feels he has a right to govern in the face of outright obstructionism from a minority. What your right forgets is he was individually elected by the people, not once but twice. That must give him a clear mandate for something. He wasn't elected in a vacuum and he wasn't elected without a platform

I don't know how you feel my country wasn't subjected to six years of egotistial crap from leftist leaning politicians but fortunately our electoral system works to resolve the differences. We had what could only be described as two coups in that six years, one where an elected leader was thrown aside and another where the usurper was thrown aside. If Venezeula was so prosperous how did the left gain the foothold among the population to overthrow the privileged? You see what you want to see

[Tuttyd]

removed wrong topic

[tomder55]

as you said the branches are coequal so therefore he feels he has a right to govern in the face of outright obstructionism from a minority. What your right forgets is he was individually elected by the people, not once but twice. That must give him a clear mandate for something. He wasn't elected in a vacuum and he wasn't elected without a platform

The constitution clearly defines the authority of the branches. Making law is a Congressional perogative . The emperor has some authority to issue executive orders where it applies to the enforcement of law. But there is nothing that gives him the authority to make law ....as he has frequently done with his EO's .

Yesterday ,without the authority of a law passed by Congress, the emperor announced the creation of so called myRA's .If there is ANY appropriations of Federal money involved then the Constitution requires the law to originate in the House of Reps. It's too f'n bad that the emperor hasn't the ability to work with Congress . He's not the 1st President who has had to deal with an opposition party majority in Congress. They all managed to do the job without resorting to dicatorial methods .

[excon]

Hello again,

[NeedKarma]

excon wins this round.

[tomder55]

I did not say EOs aren't legit under the proper circumstances . But when the President uses them to make law then it is an unconstitutional application of the executive power.

It doesn't suprise me at all that Roosevelt is the one who most abused them. SCOTUS had to smack down his whole original recovery plan.

[paraclete]

good research EX it seems the right was hoisted on their own pitard, if you read the speech Tom you would have seen where he said he would do it within existing legislation, given the amount of verbage you guys churn out that is a lot of wriggle room

[tomder55]

tell me what legislation was passed that permits him to set up a new retirement instrument . This MyRA plan has to be created from the taxing authority , which the constitution empowers to Congress.

[talaniman]

How Obama's 'myRA' retirement accounts will work - Jan. 29, 2014

Obama's annual budget will again include a separate proposal to automatically enroll workers in IRA accounts, a long-touted plan which would require Congressional approval. "This is a start," John said. "Without the actions of Congress, there is a limit on what can be done."

[paraclete]

Tom there is probably some obscure clause somewhere, challenge it in the court and you will find out

[tomder55]

I don't have " standing " ...the biggest obstruction to challenging the law in court is that the person bringing the action has got to be harmed by the law.

Obama's annual budget will again include a separate proposal to automatically enroll workers in IRA accounts, a long-touted plan which would require Congressional approval. "This is a start," John said. "Without the actions of Congress, there is a limit on what can be done."

So why issue an EO ? Just for the show ? I don't think he would have any issue asking Congress to create myRA's if that is what he wants .
Personally I think this is the precursor to the long time Dem plan of confiscating private retirement accounts and converting them to govt managed accounts.

[talaniman]

Makes perfect sense for the third of lower income Americans who watched the 401K plans lose money Tom. More so to the people who have no 401k at the job to begin with. Not only do you not lose your investment to"market" conditions, you actually make a habit of saving, and can get actual payroll deductions as small as 5 bucks and 25 to get you started with an option to rollover into a regular IRA later.

Why wait for congress to figure it out?

McDonald’s Supersized 401(k) Match - Planning to Retire (usnews.com)

“You can put away a nice nest egg for you and your family, depending on how long you stay at this company," Kenny Sanders, a human resources manager for McDonald's overseeing 76 company-owned stores, told BusinessWeek.

Government bonds are the best investment in the world. No matter what Wall Street does.

[NeedKarma]

converting them to govt managed accounts.

Wow, even socialist Canada doesn't do that.

[tomder55]

it may or may not make sense. I haven't offered an opinion on the merits .

In our country Congress passes law and has the power to levy taxes NOT the Presidency . Clearly this myRA would have to be administered in part by the IRS because of the deferals( while the money stays in the fund, it won't be taxed )

But since you asked .... I think it is a sneaky way to get the poor to finance the gvt debt. The so called safe investment option is purchasing Federal Bonds that yield less than the rate of inflation.

[talaniman]

The minimum wage yield is less than the rate of inflation, and Wall Street is subject to market conditions. I would think servicing the debt and guaranteeing principle return would a capitalist dream. Just because a rich guy can't make a few bucks on the poor guy doesn't make it a bad idea.

Have you forgotten the global meltdown? More options and opportunity for the less than rich may make TR Price and Fidelity fix their broken capitalist business model.

[tomder55]

yawn ... what is the emperor going to do next ,compel workers to invest in these instruments ? ....oh yeah ,that's already been established as one of his goals .

Wow, even socialist Canada doesn't do that.

The Dems have had the Teresa Ghilarducci plan on the back burner since 2008 .