Scared

excon · Oct 25, 2008, 07:47 AM

Hello:

I alluded to my concerns in an earlier thread... But, I really didn't spell out my fears...

1963 was the worst year of my life. 1968 wasn't any better. Those were the years when JFK, his brother Bobby, and Martin Luther King were assassinated.

Yes, I DO think there are nuts out there who would do such a thing today. Don't you? I surely hope they're protecting him.

excon

Wondergirl · Oct 27, 2008, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magprob

Just like Palin, Obama is redistirbuting the wealth. Keeping your finer clothiers, lobster fishermen and room service staff employed.

The redistribution then will include his wealth. Maybe he'll put special marks on his dollar bills and will offer special prizes or gift cards to Macy's when people find them and turn them in. I think I will get a job in a bank.............

tomder55 · Oct 28, 2008, 02:29 AM

Quote:

federal agents broke up a plot today. The plan was to shoot 88 African-Americans (88 symbolizes Hitler's initials), decapitate 14 more and then assasinate Obama.

Indeed there are always individual plots about the killing of the President or of candidates . In President Bush's case many "artists" put it in on celluloid or on stage without criminal charges being brought against them.

To the extent that Lee Harvey Oswald ,James Earl Ray, Sirhan Sirhan ,Squeaky Fromme ,Sara Jane Moore,John Hinckley,the Puerto Rican nationalists who tried to murder Truman ,Leon Czolgosz,Charles J. Guiteau ;the assassins who shot Teddy Roosevelt while campaigning and made an attempt or the one who took a shot at FDR ...were lone assassins.... then yes there is concern . Every President or candidate is at risk or a potential target.

The only attempt I know of that was part of a larger plot was John Wilkes Booth killing of Lincoln. On the same day ,an attempt was made on Sec State William Seward by Lewis Powell (or Paine), accomplice of John Wilkes Booth.

Since race is the underlying theme of this post then no , I do not think he is at greater risk then the above examples.

speechlesstx · Oct 28, 2008, 07:54 AM

If this were Obama (or any other non-white) wouldn't this be considered a hate crime?

Quote:

Halloween Palin Prop Sparks Controversy In WeHo

WEST HOLLYWOOD, Calif. (AP) ― A Halloween decoration showing a mannequin dressed as vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin hanging by a noose from the roof of a West Hollywood home is drawing giggles from some passers-by and gasps of outrage from others.

The mannequin is dressed in brunet wig, glasses and a red business suit. Another mannequin dressed as John McCain emerges from a flaming chimney.

Chad Michael Morisette, who lives in the house, told CBS 2 News that drivers and bus passengers have been stopping to snap pictures of the macabre scene.

Morisette says the effigy would be out of bounds at any other time of year, but it's within the spirit of Halloween.

He says "it should be seen as art, and as within the month of October. It's Halloween, it's time to be scary it's time to be spooky."

tomder55 · Oct 28, 2008, 08:34 AM

you mean like this ?
<b>Raw Video:</b> Controversial Halloween Decor | Today's TMJ4 - Milwaukee, Wisconsin News, Weather, Sports, WTMJ | Local News

BABRAM · Oct 28, 2008, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomder55

The only attempt I know of that was part of a larger plot was John Wilkes Booth killing of Lincoln. On the same day ,an attempt was made on Sec State William Seward by Lewis Powell (or Paine), accomplice of John Wilkes Booth.

Since race is the underlying theme of this post then no , I do not think he is at greater risk then the above examples.

I completely disagree. Population is hundreds of fold multiplied since Abe Lincoln and the diversity of hate groups have a much broader spectrum. Besides your logic is that Lincoln was at no greater risk when in fact, we all know that plot ended killing the president and that was indeed the ultimate fate. Same could be said for the Kennedy's. And none of your examples was comparable by subject since we never had a Black president in the US. Here Obama hasn't even taken the oath of office and already there's been at least one reported foiled assassination attempt by the Feds. To think that Obama is not at larger risk for being the first non-caucasian categorically to possibly serve ever in the highest office in our land is a mistake. That being said, the far majority of our citizens are law biding and desire nothing less than prosperity and health for Barack Obama, or John McCain, in leading this country.

tomder55 · Oct 28, 2008, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Here Obama hasn't even taken the oath of office and already there's been at least one reported foiled assassination attempt by the Feds.

But I pointed to examples of at least 2 candidates where were targets .TR and RFK.

If EX was implying that Obama was at a greater risk because he was Black I'm sure he would've stated so . But to that I would respectfully disagree. All the incidents I detailed occured in the last century. Quite a few assassinations and failed attempts relative to the number of people who have held the office.

Wondergirl · Oct 28, 2008, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomder55

If EX was implying that Obama was at a greater risk because he was Black I'm sure he would've stated so . But to that I would respectfully disagree. All the incidents I detailed occured in the last century. Quite a few assassinations and failed attempts relative to the number of people who have held the office.

Well, I have read a number of comments from voters who say they refuse to vote for a black man no matter how smart and charismatic he is. And these two guys who had a "plan" (such as it was) to assassinate Obama and kill others were skinheads which screams out racism.

This is the first black presidential candidate the U.S. has had who has gotten this far, so I'm not sure you can use history as your proof that racism wasn't a factor in the two reported cases.

speechlesstx · Oct 28, 2008, 09:09 AM

Deranged Obama supporters mace GOP campaign workers, including "a 75- and 71-year-old man and their respective wives."

Quote:

Two people were arrested Monday afternoon after an altercation led to five Republican campaign workers being sprayed with Mace at their headquarters in Galax.

Galax Police Chief Rick Clark said officers were dispatched shortly before 1 p.m. to the Galax Republican headquarters on East Grayson Street when a caller reported someone had sprayed office workers with Mace.

Responding officers arrested Daniel Cason Meinecke, 29, and Cara Annis Hindman, 26, both of Galax.

Meinecke was charged with one count of misdemeanor assault, Hindman was charged with five counts of misdemeanor assault.

Galax Republican Chairman Mike Stevens said he was one of the volunteers sprayed. He said a man and woman came into the office and asked for campaign yard signs for the Democratic ticket of Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

After being told the Obama-Biden campaign office was up the street, Stevens said, the man said he was aware of that, but that he thought Democratic signs were being stolen and “stashed” at the Republican office.

Stevens told him that nobody there had stolen signs, not were they “stashing” any in the building.

A confrontation escalated and, Stevens said, the man began to use some four-letter words.

Stevens said there were older women in the office and he asked the couple to leave the building.

“With the ladies in the office, I said that was enough and asked them to leave,” he said. “I told them, if they had a problem with someone stealing their signs they needed to contact the police department.”

Stevens said the couple replied that they weren’t leaving, and that they didn’t have to.

“I kind of moved them towards the door and he lashed out at me,” Stevens said. “So I lashed out at him.”

No punches were thrown, but instead the two simply held each other at bay, according to Stevens.

Once outside, Stevens said, the woman sprayed Mace on him and another volunteer before turning back to the office and spraying inside the building.

“It was surreal in the fact that I’ve had people in the past couple months come in and ask for signs. But to have an altercation like that just seems strange.”

While Stevens was unsure if the couple came into the building planning to start an altercation, he said it seemed evident they were.

“There was no business that this gentleman had to do in the office. We didn’t do anything... We didn’t steal his signs. The people in the building were a 75- and 71-year-old man and their respective wives... they aren’t out there stealing signs.”

NeedKarma · Oct 28, 2008, 09:09 AM

tomder55 · Oct 28, 2008, 09:40 AM

Quote:

so I'm not sure you can use history as your proof that racism wasn't a factor in the two reported cases.
__________________

that was not my intent at all . My intent is to show that Obama is in no Greater threat than any otherprevious candidate or President .