Save the earth

speechlesstx · #1 Nov 29, 2007, 02:14 PM

Sierra Club joins Planned Parenthood to Promote Abortion

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The Sierra Club crisscrossed California this month for a series of conferences called Sex and the Environment. Planned Parenthood also was represented at most of the stops, the California Catholic Daily reports. The Sierra Club is pushing "global reproductive health" — abortion means fewer kids and, apparently, a healthier environment.

"The Sierra Club and Planned Parenthood are teaming up to promote their radical views on the environment and abortion," said Dawn Vargo, associate bioethics analyst for Focus on the Family Action. "The view that humans are to blame for our environmental problems has found perfect partner with the largest abortion provider in the country."

The 115-year-old Sierra Club, founded by California environmentalist John Muir in 1892 to “explore, enjoy and protect the planet,” declares on its Web site: “Sierra Club is a pro-choice organization.”

The tour was part of the Sierra Club’s Global Population and Environment Program, which aims “to protect the global environment and preserve natural resources for future generations by advancing global reproductive health and sustainable development initiatives.”

"The answer in their minds is clear," Vargo said, "environmental problems can be addressed by aborting the next generation."

Kathleen Parker also addressed this in a column...

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Hey, did you hear the one about the woman who aborted her kid so she could save the planet?

That's no joke, but Darwin must be chuckling somewhere.

Toni Vernelli was one of two women recently featured in a London Daily Mail story about environmentalists who take their carbon footprint very, very seriously.

So seriously, in fact, that Vernelli aborted a pregnancy and, by age 27, had herself sterilized. Baby-making, she says, is "selfish" and "all about maintaining your genetic line at the expense of the planet."

Because Toni and her husband, Ed, are childless and vegan, they say they can justify one long-haul airplane trip per year and still remain carbon neutral.

Sarah Irving is another like-minded nature-nurturer. She and fiance Mark Hudson decided on him having a vasectomy to prevent the possibility of an inconvenient life interfering with their carbon-perfect ones.

She's kidding, right?

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Had Toni Vernelli gone ahead with her pregnancy ten years ago, she would know at first hand what it is like to cradle her own baby, to have a pair of innocent eyes gazing up at her with unconditional love, to feel a little hand slipping into hers - and a voice calling her Mummy.

But the very thought makes her shudder with horror.

Because when Toni terminated her pregnancy, she did so in the firm belief she was helping to save the planet...

At the age of 27 this young woman at the height of her reproductive years was sterilised to "protect the planet".

Incredibly, instead of mourning the loss of a family that never was, her boyfriend (now husband) presented her with a congratulations card.

The extremely ironic thing about this, is Tony met her husband Ed at "an animal rights demonstration." I don't know whether to laugh or cry at how incredibly sad that anyone can be so monumentally stupid.

Comments?

shygrneyzs · Nov 29, 2007, 02:33 PM

I had a big, long answer and deleted it all, just to say this: when the hour comes for all of us and we make an accounting - I would not want to be in their shoes. While it is good to protect the environment and I am not in disagreement with SOME of planned parenthood, to mix the two together has toxic potential.

speechlesstx · Nov 29, 2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by shygrneyzs

I had a big, long answer and deleted it all, just to say this: when the hour comes for all of us and we make an accounting - I would not want to be in their shoes. While it is good to protect the environment and I am not in disagreement with SOME of planned parenthood, to mix the two together has toxic potential.

I agree, but can you come up with something even stronger than "toxic?"

shygrneyzs · Nov 29, 2007, 03:07 PM

Oh Yeah! lol. But it is not printable.

Chery · Nov 29, 2007, 03:13 PM

I too believe in pro-choice... But I go a few steps ahead of conception.

I think there is a choice that people have to make regarding conception and, or abstinence. If they cannot make these types of choices, then I don't think they are mature enough to make the other more drastic choices.

Of course there are acceptions, such as rape, and religion (and I won't go further into the latter subject because this post would be to darned long too).

So.. In My Opinion, it comes down to education and logic - but that too can be a long story.

Suggestions to the young.. say NO, use a condom, or get a puppy!

Chery · Nov 29, 2007, 03:28 PM

Let's face it... egotistical, political, or financial, it's all the same..

But Mother Earth has a way of correcting some mistakes, and we just might be on that list of 'things to do'. Evolution has not stopped just because we are in the 21st Century, no matter how wonderful and powerful some humans think they are.

asking · Nov 29, 2007, 04:28 PM

Speechless in Texas's post is incredibly misleading. The Sierra Club isn't going around promoting abortions. Not "to save the planet" or for any other reason. For that matter even Planned Parenthood would far rather see people use birth control than have people resort to abortions.

The information posted above comes from Focus on the Family Action, which is a political pro life group. They are entitled to say whatever they like, but I would take what they say about Planned Parenthood and the Sierra Club with a grain of salt. The Sierra Club supports limiting population growth; that's nothing to do with abortions. And with the world warming up because of excess CO2, eventually we'll have to limit our growth, so it's not unreasonable. Virtually every country in the world is already having fewer children. There's nothing evil about having 3 children instead of 8 and it's better for the planet. You don't have to have an abortion to do that. We just don't have enough resources to support an infinite number of people. Babies are great (I just went to see my new niece), but 6 billion babies is plenty of babies. We don't really need 12 billion or 50 billion of the little tykes to prove that we like 'em.

It's like puppies. We all love puppies. But does every household need 50 puppies? A few are usually enough and limiting how many puppies you have doesn't mean you hate life or want to kill puppies! It just means more love for the two or 6 puppies you keep.

The vegan, childless couple are just one weird couple. They don't represent a vast conspiracy of child hating Americans. It' silly to think that the Sierra Club wants to kill babies. They just want to conserve some wilderness, so everyone's children will have something green to look at in 2075.

speechlesstx · Nov 29, 2007, 08:48 PM

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Speechless in Texas's post is incredibly misleading. The Sierra Club isn't going around promoting abortions. Not "to save the planet" or for any other reason. For that matter even Planned Parenthood would far rather see people use birth control than have people resort to abortions.

The information posted above comes from Focus on the Family Action, which is a political pro life group. They are entitled to say whatever they like, but I would take what they say about Planned Parenthood and the Sierra Club with a grain of salt. The Sierra Club supports limiting population growth; that's nothing to do with abortions. And with the world warming up because of excess CO2, eventually we'll have to limit our growth, so it's not unreasonable. Virtually every country in the world is already having fewer children. There's nothing evil about having 3 children instead of 8 and it's better for the planet. You don't have to have an abortion to do that. We just don't have enough resources to support an infinite number of people. Babies are great (I just went to see my new niece), but 6 billion babies is plenty of babies. We don't really need 12 billion or 50 billion of the little tykes to prove that we like 'em.

First, my apologies for not furnishing the link, I'm usually more careful than that. Second, here's a list of the Sierra Club's "Sex and the Environment" conferences from their website. Is that too misleading?

Seriously folks, is that the best some can do is claim something is "incredibly misleading" because the source is Focus on the Family, or Fox News, or whatever source you don't trust? That's ok though asking, those familiar with me know I don't just throw things out there without backup.

Global Population and Environment

Seems the two groups have shared their environmental concerns over having babies for some time.

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It's like puppies. We all love puppies. But does every household need 50 puppies? A few are usually enough and limiting how many puppies you have doesn't mean you hate life or want to kill puppies! It just means more love for the two or 6 puppies you keep.

Comparing babies to puppies??????? Seriously?????

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The vegan, childless couple are just one weird couple. They don't represent a vast conspiracy of child hating Americans. It' silly to think that the Sierra Club wants to kill babies. They just want to conserve some wilderness, so everyone's children will have something green to look at in 2075.

At least we agree they're weird, and I'll leave it at that for now

jillianleab · Nov 30, 2007, 07:11 AM

What's really wacky about that couple is they are animal right's activists, but they support abortion. Seems a little inconsistent to me.... Also, though I have not been able to confirm this yet, I think it's a safe bet to say current abortion methods were developed through animal research..... Again, a little inconsistent if that's the case. Also, cow farts are a HUGE contributor to global warming, so why not kill all the cows to save the earth? And if you're gonna kill 'em, might as well eat 'em! And I don't get the "offset your carbon footprint" crap - you recycled your plastic bags so now you get to drive your SUV? Isn't the point to REDUCE your carbon footprint, not "offset" it? That's Al Gore logic (Glogic? Gorgic? Gorogic?) right there! Crazy environmentalists...

As far as the programs being developed to "promote" abortion as a means of saving the earth, I didn't see anything in an unbiased article regarding that. That's a hefty claim to make without backing it up with facts. Just because they are doing "Sex and the Environment" programs doesn't mean they are pushing abortion, just pushing population control. Would that include abortion? Possibly, but there's nothing saying that's the objective of the program. The quote from your link,

"The tour was part of the Sierra Club’s Global Population and Environment Program, which aims “to protect the global environment and preserve natural resources for future generations by advancing global reproductive health and sustainable development initiatives.”

says nothing about promoting abortion - that was a conclusion drawn by Focus on the Family. I know you have personal issues with PPH, but surely you realize they do more than perform abortions. Granted, I didn't look through the site in it's entirety, and maybe there is an entire hour during the demonstration devoted to "Have an abortion, save the Earth", but I didn't see it. But, if they are discussing "global reproductive health", abortion is bound to come up - mentioning it doesn't mean it's being "promoted" or "encouraged", just discussed.

Chery · Nov 30, 2007, 07:16 AM

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[SIZE=+0]If 'vegan' means vegetarian.. then they don't have to work too hard at preventing overpopulation because IMO, protein from meat is a needed building block for development of the human. The body has a way of sending signals when essential nutrition is missing to have a healthy and functioning reproductive system. An example of this is women with eating disorders such as A and B - the body reverts back and does not even ovulate in most cases. [/SIZE]
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