Save the earth - have an abortion

speechlesstx · Nov 29, 2007, 02:14 PM

Sierra Club joins Planned Parenthood to Promote Abortion

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The Sierra Club crisscrossed California this month for a series of conferences called Sex and the Environment. Planned Parenthood also was represented at most of the stops, the California Catholic Daily reports. The Sierra Club is pushing "global reproductive health" — abortion means fewer kids and, apparently, a healthier environment.

"The Sierra Club and Planned Parenthood are teaming up to promote their radical views on the environment and abortion," said Dawn Vargo, associate bioethics analyst for Focus on the Family Action. "The view that humans are to blame for our environmental problems has found perfect partner with the largest abortion provider in the country."

The 115-year-old Sierra Club, founded by California environmentalist John Muir in 1892 to “explore, enjoy and protect the planet,” declares on its Web site: “Sierra Club is a pro-choice organization.”

The tour was part of the Sierra Club’s Global Population and Environment Program, which aims “to protect the global environment and preserve natural resources for future generations by advancing global reproductive health and sustainable development initiatives.”

"The answer in their minds is clear," Vargo said, "environmental problems can be addressed by aborting the next generation."

Kathleen Parker also addressed this in a column...

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Hey, did you hear the one about the woman who aborted her kid so she could save the planet?

That's no joke, but Darwin must be chuckling somewhere.

Toni Vernelli was one of two women recently featured in a London Daily Mail story about environmentalists who take their carbon footprint very, very seriously.

So seriously, in fact, that Vernelli aborted a pregnancy and, by age 27, had herself sterilized. Baby-making, she says, is "selfish" and "all about maintaining your genetic line at the expense of the planet."

Because Toni and her husband, Ed, are childless and vegan, they say they can justify one long-haul airplane trip per year and still remain carbon neutral.

Sarah Irving is another like-minded nature-nurturer. She and fiance Mark Hudson decided on him having a vasectomy to prevent the possibility of an inconvenient life interfering with their carbon-perfect ones.

She's kidding, right?

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Had Toni Vernelli gone ahead with her pregnancy ten years ago, she would know at first hand what it is like to cradle her own baby, to have a pair of innocent eyes gazing up at her with unconditional love, to feel a little hand slipping into hers - and a voice calling her Mummy.

But the very thought makes her shudder with horror.

Because when Toni terminated her pregnancy, she did so in the firm belief she was helping to save the planet...

At the age of 27 this young woman at the height of her reproductive years was sterilised to "protect the planet".

Incredibly, instead of mourning the loss of a family that never was, her boyfriend (now husband) presented her with a congratulations card.

The extremely ironic thing about this, is Tony met her husband Ed at "an animal rights demonstration." I don't know whether to laugh or cry at how incredibly sad that anyone can be so monumentally stupid.

Comments?

michealb · Nov 30, 2007, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by asking

I feel uncomfortable with the amount of hostility in this thread. It's not typical of other threads I've seen at AMHD. I assume you don't literally hate the children of people who don't happen to eat hamburgers... I mean why would anyone even care what someone doesn't eat?? (I don't eat avocados; am I in trouble??

) Do you assume that all vegans have beliefs you strongly disagree with?
Asking

I meant specifically the vegans in the OP. I meant it as a joke though hence the

. It's more of a reference to past posts I've made about wanting an ethical way to get dumb people not to breed and I thought the vegans in the OP kind of fit the dumb part so I said good for them.

And as far as the my planet part well....thats just a matter of time. I want to make sure when I'm in charge it's still worth something. It's like washing the bird poop off a car that your about to buy it's not your car right now but you plan for it to be your car so you don't want the poop stain.

asking · Nov 30, 2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by michealb

And as far as the my planet part well....thats just a matter of time. I want to make sure when I'm in charge it's still worth something. It's like washing the bird poop off a car that your about to buy it's not your car right now but you plan for it to be your car so you don't want the poop stain.

I'll take this as a statement of your plans for world domination then.

Or do we all get a chance to be in charge of the planet at some point? Did I miss my turn??! Hey, wait!

Anyway, thanks for explaining.

Asking

michealb · Nov 30, 2007, 12:00 PM

Total world domination, I mean if I'm going to set goals I figured I'd start with a low one and go from there.

speechlesstx · Nov 30, 2007, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jillianleab

I tried to find info on PP's kindergarten program, but all I saw was reference to "age appropriate information" and I think that's the key. I'll admit if I'm wrong, but my GUESS is sex ed for kids that young consists of body parts and names, which I have to objection to (if a parent does, they should be able to opt their kid out, however). The only thing I saw was this article

That's just it Jillean, who knows what PP's sex education programs are because in public they are extremely vague about what that is and they are purposely very cautious in their choice of words when discussing it. However, this is their belief:

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Ideally, sexuality education is taught in ways that are age- and experience-appropriate in kindergarten through 12th grade (.pdf).

What exactly is "age appropriate" and what exactly is "experience appropriate" in kindergarten? And absolutely if they do provide sex ed in school parents should be able to opt out, but PP doesnt seem to believe parents should have any say so.

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So again, it's about education and involved families.

The last part is the key.

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As far as teens and the PP website goes, I don't object to it. Kids are curious about their bodies, and I'd rather my teen (if I had one) find information from a reliable source than from some pedo on the web.

Of course that's your prerogative, but knowing what I do about PP, I believe they are one of the most destructive, subversive organizations in the world and I would never, under any circumstance knowingly allow a child of mine to get ANYTHING from them. I care more about people than to trust anything of any of any importance to that group. Besides my other objections, here's my number one reason why - had it not been for PP my daughter might be healthy and we might have a grandchild. I can only imagine how many others have been through as much thanks in part to their attitude and their ineptitude.

speechlesstx · Nov 30, 2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by asking

I feel uncomfortable with the amount of hostility in this thread. It's not typical of other threads I've seen at AMHD. I assume you don't literally hate the children of people who don't happen to eat hamburgers... I mean why would anyone even care what someone doesn't eat?? (I don't eat avocados; am I in trouble??

) Do you assume that all vegans have beliefs you strongly disagree with?
Asking

Sorry asking, I don't feel I've been hostile though I can see what you might consider hostile, but then part of this was meant to make someone uncomfortable.

speechlesstx · Nov 30, 2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jillianleab

Sorry, speech, but some of your quotes are pulled out of context to make it look like PP says oral and anal can be done while still being abstinent or that they are inconsistent with their definition.

As I said Jillean, I can't find the particular quote I recalled but it was there. You missed the key to the last quote, the title of the article is "Foreplay 411: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Not Doing It."

I thought that was self explanatory, isn't "abstinence" the same as "not doing it?"

michealb · Nov 30, 2007, 01:29 PM

Speechlesstx,

I know you personally dislike PP and I understand why you do but I have to say I just don't see the evil in it that you do.

speechlesstx · Nov 30, 2007, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by asking

So it's your opinion that that's what they mean. That's fine. We are all entitled to an opinion.

This would be an interesting exercise, ask both groups to work out their goal of population control and a sustainable environment without abortion and see what happens.

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Did you lose your dog recently? It's makes me feel sad for you every time I see that line about missing your dog at the end of your posts.
Asking

Awww, don't feel sad, but after 5 months I do still miss my dog very much. It's a small tribute to a great dog...but I won't keep it up there forever.

speechlesstx · Nov 30, 2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by michealb

Speechlesstx,

I know you personally dislike PP and I understand why you do but I have to say I just don't see the evil in it that you do.

And nobody says you have to either

Still, if I can convince one person not to go to PP and have an abortion, if just one child gets a chance at life that wouldn't have otherwise, if one teen's life is not wrecked because of PP's influence...

speechlesstx · Nov 30, 2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Speech,
I agree, parts of that site make me uncomfortable if I knew my 12 year old were browsing it. But then again, as Jillean mentions better there then hearing misinformation to promote abstinence.

Lo and behold NK, we have finally found at least a little common ground



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