Save the earth - have an abortion

speechlesstx · Nov 29, 2007, 02:14 PM

Sierra Club joins Planned Parenthood to Promote Abortion

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The Sierra Club crisscrossed California this month for a series of conferences called Sex and the Environment. Planned Parenthood also was represented at most of the stops, the California Catholic Daily reports. The Sierra Club is pushing "global reproductive health" — abortion means fewer kids and, apparently, a healthier environment.

"The Sierra Club and Planned Parenthood are teaming up to promote their radical views on the environment and abortion," said Dawn Vargo, associate bioethics analyst for Focus on the Family Action. "The view that humans are to blame for our environmental problems has found perfect partner with the largest abortion provider in the country."

The 115-year-old Sierra Club, founded by California environmentalist John Muir in 1892 to “explore, enjoy and protect the planet,” declares on its Web site: “Sierra Club is a pro-choice organization.”

The tour was part of the Sierra Club’s Global Population and Environment Program, which aims “to protect the global environment and preserve natural resources for future generations by advancing global reproductive health and sustainable development initiatives.”

"The answer in their minds is clear," Vargo said, "environmental problems can be addressed by aborting the next generation."

Kathleen Parker also addressed this in a column...

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Hey, did you hear the one about the woman who aborted her kid so she could save the planet?

That's no joke, but Darwin must be chuckling somewhere.

Toni Vernelli was one of two women recently featured in a London Daily Mail story about environmentalists who take their carbon footprint very, very seriously.

So seriously, in fact, that Vernelli aborted a pregnancy and, by age 27, had herself sterilized. Baby-making, she says, is "selfish" and "all about maintaining your genetic line at the expense of the planet."

Because Toni and her husband, Ed, are childless and vegan, they say they can justify one long-haul airplane trip per year and still remain carbon neutral.

Sarah Irving is another like-minded nature-nurturer. She and fiance Mark Hudson decided on him having a vasectomy to prevent the possibility of an inconvenient life interfering with their carbon-perfect ones.

She's kidding, right?

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Had Toni Vernelli gone ahead with her pregnancy ten years ago, she would know at first hand what it is like to cradle her own baby, to have a pair of innocent eyes gazing up at her with unconditional love, to feel a little hand slipping into hers - and a voice calling her Mummy.

But the very thought makes her shudder with horror.

Because when Toni terminated her pregnancy, she did so in the firm belief she was helping to save the planet...

At the age of 27 this young woman at the height of her reproductive years was sterilised to "protect the planet".

Incredibly, instead of mourning the loss of a family that never was, her boyfriend (now husband) presented her with a congratulations card.

The extremely ironic thing about this, is Tony met her husband Ed at "an animal rights demonstration." I don't know whether to laugh or cry at how incredibly sad that anyone can be so monumentally stupid.

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speechlesstx · Nov 30, 2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

NK, I have actually read that on Teenwire, so if I can find the quote again I will certainly link to it.

I can't find the quote I recall, but what's left on the site is all over the map.

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Planned Parenthood defines "abstinence" as not having any sex play at all.

But...

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Planned Parenthood defines "outercourse" as any kind of sex play with a partner that isn't intercourse.

And...

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However, whether people who practice outercourse would be considered sexually abstinent by other people would depend entirely on each individual's definition of sexual abstinence.

Or yet...

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Most people define "virginity" as not having had vaginal intercourse — but that definition leaves a lot of room for other activities, like oral and anal sex.

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There are two kinds of abstinence [periodic and continuous]. Both ways can prevent pregnancy by keeping a man's ejaculate and pre-ejaculate out of the vagina.

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Foreplay 411: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Not Doing It

"Outercuorse" of course is "kissing, massage, masturbation, "frottage" (rubbing bodies together), sharing fantasies — including cybersex and phone sex, anal sex play (exploring one another's anus/rectum with hands, mouths), and oral sex play," but to Planned Parenthood it is "not doing it."

jillianleab · Nov 30, 2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

NK, I have actually read that on Teenwire, so if I can find the quote again I will certainly link to it.

I found this:

Before we get into more details about abstinence, let's define our terms. People interpret "sex," "abstinence," and "outercourse" in different ways.

We take it that you mean "vaginal intercourse" when you say your friend is having "sex," even though it could mean something else. Planned Parenthood defines "sex" as any kind of sex play — from masturbation to intercourse.

Planned Parenthood defines "outercourse" as any kind of sex play with a partner that isn't intercourse.

Planned Parenthood defines "abstinence" as not having any sex play at all. Not having any sex play at all is 100 percent effective in preventing sexually transmitted infections and pregnancy.
According to our definitions, Emily's friend is having outercourse, and may be at risk for sexually transmitted infection, whether or not she considers herself a virgin.

Which indicates they define abstinece as NO touchy-touchy at all.

In Focus: Abstinence: Who, What, When, Why, and How! — teenwire.com

NeedKarma · Nov 30, 2007, 10:57 AM

Speech,
I agree, parts of that site make me uncomfortable if I knew my 12 year old were browsing it. But then again, as Jillean mentions better there then hearing misinformation to promote abstinence.

asking · Nov 30, 2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chery

[SIZE=+0]If 'vegan' means vegetarian.. then they don't have to work too hard at preventing overpopulation because IMO, protein from meat is a needed building block for development of the human. The body has a way of sending signals when essential nutrition is missing to have a healthy and functioning reproductive system. An example of this is women with eating disorders such as A and B - the body reverts back and does not even ovulate in most cases. [/SIZE]

Hi Chery, I've been working with a nutritionist on a book about diet recently. He has been teaching nutrition at Rutgers University for 50 years and is not a vegetarian himself (nor am I), but when I asked him if there was any reason not to be a vegetarian, nutritionally, he said no. He said there is nothing in meat that we can't get from plants. In fact, he added that the protein in some plants is of a better quality than what's in most of the meat that most people eat. He said meat from older animals is full of collagen and contains poorly balanced amino acids. But most Americans like meat that has fat in it and that comes from older animals. I'm not promoting vegetarianism, but I just thought that was interesting. I always thought we needed some meat too, but apparently not.
Asking

tomder55 · Nov 30, 2007, 11:05 AM

asking

true enough but it would be difficult to get the combinations of complex proteins that are contained in meat from a single plant source. You would need to consume a carefully planned combinations of legumes and other plants to get your protein requirements. It can be done obviously .

edit . Soy beans comes the closest.

jillianleab · Nov 30, 2007, 11:10 AM

Sorry, speech, but some of your quotes are pulled out of context to make it look like PP says oral and anal can be done while still being abstinent or that they are inconsistent with their definition.

Firstly, they define abstinent as "no sex play", which you acknowledge in your first quote. Your second quote gives their definition of "outercourse" which they define as "sex play" which means they consider engaging in "outercourse" means you aren't abstinent.

Your third and fourth quotes reference what OTHER people define "abstinent" as, not PP.

Your fifth quote is taken WAY out of context. "Periodic abstinence" is for women who are learning their cycles so they abstain during their fertile times (adults who want to use the rhythm method), and they note it does NOT protect against STDs and they don't recommend teens use it. "Continuous abstinence" is no sex play at all, which they proceed to list the benefits of. In neither case do they say oral/anal "doesn't count"

Your last quote doesn't have anything to do with abstinence, it just defines intercourse and outercourse. Kissing, touching, etc is NOT intercourse, so it's NOT "doing it" but it's also NOT being abstinent. No where does the article say you can do these things and call yourself abstinent.

asking · Nov 30, 2007, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I add it all up and yes, they believe abortions help save the environment, even if they don't explicitly say so.

So it's your opinion that that's what they mean. That's fine. We are all entitled to an opinion.

Did you lose your dog recently? It's makes me feel sad for you every time I see that line about missing your dog at the end of your posts.
Asking

michealb · Nov 30, 2007, 11:18 AM

I say good for the vegans. I didn't want their dumb kids on my planet anyway.

asking · Nov 30, 2007, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by michealb

I say good for the vegans. I didn't want their dumb kids on my planet anyway.

I feel uncomfortable with the amount of hostility in this thread. It's not typical of other threads I've seen at AMHD. I assume you don't literally hate the children of people who don't happen to eat hamburgers... I mean why would anyone even care what someone doesn't eat?? (I don't eat avocados; am I in trouble??

) Do you assume that all vegans have beliefs you strongly disagree with?
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jillianleab · Nov 30, 2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by asking

I feel uncomfortable with the amount of hostility in this thread. It's not typical of other threads I've seen at AMHD. I assume you don't literally hate the children of people who don't happen to eat hamburgers... I mean why would anyone even care what someone doesn't eat?? (I don't eat avocados; am I in trouble??

) Do you assume that all vegans have beliefs you strongly disagree with?
Asking

I could be wrong, but I think he meant the kids of the vegans in the OP.



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