racial and gender politics Democrat style

tomder55 · #1 Mar 28, 2008, 07:19 AM

The ever astute George McGovern observed this week that he thinks Evita's problems during this primary contest stems from the fact that she is a women .

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"I have a feeling that in this country where we're at today in our thinking, it's going to be harder to elect a woman than to elect a black man," he told The Associated Press on Tuesday. "I wish that weren't true ... I'd love to see Hillary as president."
McGovern says he occasionally chats with men who don't think a woman is ready for the responsibility.
"Some guy will say, 'Well, I think that's too big a job for a woman, I don't think she can handle those terrorists,'" he said, adding that he seldom hears the same thing said about a black man.

The Associated Press: McGovern: Hard to Elect Female President

Obviously he must be referring to liberal men because conservative men would vote for a women ;if she was the best candidate for the job. It must be a problem for liberals to reconcile conflicting orthodoxies .Evidently according to McGovern they prefer a patriarchy ;even if race is a factor in the decision. Women are obviously on the bottom rung of the Democrat caste system commonly known as affirmative action.

Gloria Steinem pretty much echoed the sentiment earlier this year .
Gloria Steinem: Pitting race against gender at Racialicious - the intersection of race and pop culture

excon · Mar 28, 2008, 07:28 AM

Hello tom:

Well, you haven't been listening to Rush Limprod. He thinks you shouldn't be bad mouthing Evita.... He thinks McCain can beat Hillary but not Obama. I think he's right. I love Rush......

excon

tomder55 · Mar 28, 2008, 07:32 AM

never been much of a ditto-head.

McCain could beat both ;but not if we sleep walk through his campaign . He'd better get someone fired up soon because the opportunity the Dems are handing him will not last much past the conventions.

excon · Mar 28, 2008, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by tomder55

He'd better get someone fired up soon because the opportunity the Dems are handing him will not last much past the conventions.

Hello again, tom:

Yup. The problem he's got is he knows nothing about the economy.... and he admitted it. So, when the elections roll around, if we're broke, the Democrats will win. If the war is hot again, the Democrats will win....

excon

tomder55 · Mar 28, 2008, 09:39 AM

the bigger problem is that he is trying to court the Democrat moderates . If he thinks he has a lock on the right he is mistaken . Many of them stayed home in 2006 and will do it again if he is not careful. He also has a fund raising dilemna because of the very silly rules he pushed through.

speechlesstx · Mar 28, 2008, 05:03 PM

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"John McCain is a good brand," he says. "If you ask people, 'Do you support John McCain or X Democrat?' more people would support John McCain." The other factor: the messy and divisive Democratic race. "On the other side, the Democrats are doing each other harm," Hull says. In a Gallup Poll released Wednesday, 28 percent of Hillary Clinton supporters said they would drift to McCain if she doesn't get the nomination, and 19 percent of Obama supporters said they would vote for the Republican if the senator from Illinois didn't clinch it. This revelation certainly doesn't bode well for Democratic Party unity.

I know, it's still early...but it ain't looking so good for the Dems, ex.

BABRAM · Mar 28, 2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I know, it's still early...but it ain't looking so good for the Dems, ex.

A more likely scenario is that those Democrats would stay at home rather than vote McCain, but those that were polled were not given that option. Sorry to bring Republicans back to reality, but I really like you guys (just not your politics). Unless there's a major collapse in the Democratic party before the convention, it's just a matter of time before McCain's on life support.

speechlesstx · Mar 29, 2008, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

A more likely scenario is that those Democrats would stay at home rather than vote McCain, but those that were polled were not given that option. Sorry to bring Republicans back to reality, but I really like you guys (just not your politics). Unless there's a major collapse in the Democratic party before the convention, it's just a matter of time before McCain's on life support.

Thanks for bringing us back to reality my friend. I think the Dems are in panic mode right now. You've got Leahy and others telling Hillary to step down for the good of the party, while Hillary is saying no way and Bill is stepping on toes. Barack is still muddling his way through the Wright controversy:

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''Had the reverend not retired and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying there at the church,'' Obama said.

Of course later his campaign said something different:

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Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the senator's remarks did not imply that Wright has expressed misgivings about his statements. ''Sen. Obama was clearly saying that were Rev. Wright not retiring, he would need to be assured that Wright understood why what he had said had deeply offended people and mischaracterized the greatness of this country,'' Burton said.

Add in Hillary's "mis-speaks" about her adventures as first lady and Senator, the DNC nervously expressing excitement over their candidates while begging for money so they can attack McCain and his head start, and this Gallup poll and that spells a good dose of panic.

excon · Mar 29, 2008, 05:29 AM

Hello again:

Here's my view.

Yes, the Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot. However, they're going to have to shoot off both feet and most of their legs to lose this election.

Because, as bad as they shoot themselves, George W. Bush shot the Republicans worse. The dufus in chief handed the Dems a gift... McCain is only a stand-in candidate - like Kerry was. Nobody likes McCain, including you..

It's not even going to be close. Not close.

excon

BABRAM · Mar 30, 2008, 05:27 AM

You guys should be listening to Excon. Bush has killed Republicans on several relative issues in this election. Just as soon as the tabloid issues such as old screaming retired Wright and imaginary shootings in Bosnia have bored everyone to tears at last and the Democrats finally get their nomination squared away, McCain's goose is cooked.