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speechlesstx · Jun 10, 2009, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by cozyk

I'm just curious speech.

Your main beef is that the mandatory teaching of the existence of this alternative lifestyle is wrong on every level.

cozyk, I've plainly stated numerous times what my "main beef" is, undermining parental rights." And you have once again taking to posting offensive assumptions about me with this pathetic, wrong, idiotic, unjustified bullsh*t claim that my "main beef is that the mandatory teaching of the existence of this alternative lifestyle is wrong on every level."

What's even more pathetic is I don't believe you even get how insulting and offensive that statement is, and on top of that you have the chutzpah to chastise us on insulting each other. Pathetic. No more diversions from the subject or your responses will be treated accordingly.

cozyk · Jun 10, 2009, 07:58 PM

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

cozyk, I've plainly stated numerous times what my "main beef" is, undermining parental rights."

Yes, I believe that is what I alluded to.

And you have once again taking to posting offensive assumptions about me with this pathetic, wrong, idiotic, unjustified bullsh*t claim that my "main beef is that the mandatory teaching of the existence of this alternative lifestyle is wrong on every level."

Woo, touchy aren't you? :eek: What exactly was my offensive assumption?
Am I wrong to conclude that you think teaching it is wrong because it "underminds "your parental rights, that's one level. You feel they are trying to instill values and that's not their place. That's level two. You're okay with anti-bullying teaching in general, just don't go as far as to insinuate that the gay lifestyle is acceptable, that would be level three, and correct me if I'm wrong here (like I need to tell you that) but you do not personally accept gay couples as being just as valid as hetero couples. That would be level number four. Like I said, on many levels.

What's even more pathetic is I don't believe you even get how insulting and offensive that statement is, and on top of that you have the chutzpah to chastise us on insulting each other.

Wow, did you ever read me wrong. I was not insulting you. I was trying to understand you, giving you credit for being an involved parent, and trying to appeal to your sense of reason. I was offering a different perspective for you to mull over . I was not insulting you in any way then. But now, I do have an insult or two for you. Your defensiveness is clouding your ability to reason. Your temper is getting the best of you.

. No more diversions from the subject or your responses will be treated accordingly.

I don't even know what that means.:confused:

Skell · Jun 10, 2009, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by inthebox

Shock Over Chicago Student Gun Deaths - CBS News

Your timeline doesn't have Chicago on the list.

What conclusions can be drawn from this?

Who is from Chicago? Was a senator there during this? Can I say there is a direct causal relationship or just a correlation.

1] The fact that your reference misses Chicago calls into question the validity of the statistics posed.

2] It gives a list but no reference, such as percent of population innvolved or the total sample selected.

The US has a population of about 300 million, if 300 people die from "Y" a year, and
if in country "x" of 30 million people, 60 people die a year, which country is has a higher percentage of people dying from "y?"

G&P

Murders with firearms (per capita) by country. Definition, graph and map.

You're number 8 on the list. Not real good.
Even worse on this list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

Number 8 in total crime per capita too.
Total crimes (per capita) by country. Definition, graph and map.

Anyway that is a different debate.

speechlesstx · Jun 10, 2009, 08:30 PM

[QUOTE=cozyk;1789976]

Yes, I believe that is what I alluded to.

Do you even remember what you say? You didn't 'allude' to anything, you made an outright offensive, wrong and wrongheaded allegation:

Your main beef is that the mandatory teaching of the existence of this alternative lifestyle is wrong on every level.

I don't even know what that means.:confused:

Now that's what I 'alluded' to.

cozyk · Jun 10, 2009, 08:51 PM

[QUOTE=speechlesstx;1790028]

Originally Posted by cozyk

Do you even remember what you say? You didn't 'allude' to anything, you made an outright offensive, wrong and wrongheaded allegation:

Now that's what I 'alluded' to.

In the words of the "Lost in Space" robot, That does not compute.

I'm tired of trying to communicate with you. Seems like you just keep going around in circles and resisting any view other than your own, no matter what other perspectives are introduced to you. You can't see the forest for the trees. Then you make assertions and statements that don't make any sense. When I say I don't know what you mean, you just come back with a smart a$$ remark. Way to move the ball forward Speech.

So, good luck with all that hostility towards... well everything. I'm bowing out.

speechlesstx · Jun 11, 2009, 05:09 AM

[QUOTE=cozyk;1790050][QUOTE=speechlesstx;1790028]In the words of the "Lost in Space" robot, That does not compute.[QUOTE]

One last time...

Your main beef is that the mandatory teaching of the existence of this alternative lifestyle is wrong on every level.

When you frame it as me believing that teaching the "existence" of homosexuality is "wrong on every level" you've painted me a bigot, a homophone, in serious denial and diverted entirely away from the subject which is and has always been schools undermining parental rights.

I'm tired of trying to communicate with you. Seems like you just keep going around in circles and resisting any view other than your own, no matter what other perspectives are introduced to you. You can't see the forest for the trees.

You can't seem to refrain from insulting me or at the least, containing your condescension toward me. I am not some old, white haired, white guy neanderthal yearning for the days when women, blacks and gays knew their place. You act as if you think I've never known a homosexual, a minority or a pregnant woman and have no clue as to the world they live in or the issues they face. Let me tell you, I've seen much, much more than you obviously imagine.

Then you make assertions and statements that don't make any sense. When I say I don't know what you mean, you just come back with a smart a$$ remark. Way to move the ball forward Speech.

You act as if you're a smart lady, if you can't figure out how offensive, distracting and utterly useless your statement was then perhaps you could use a little sensitivity training yourself.

So, good luck with all that hostility towards... well everything.

Let me be clear - that was another wrong assumption, another insult, another diversion.

I'm bowing out.

Now that's moving the ball forward. If you want to discuss parental rights then continue on, but no more diversions and personal digs.

inthebox · Jun 11, 2009, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Skell

Murders with firearms (per capita) by country. Definition, graph and map.

You're number 8 on the list. Not real good.
Even worse on this list.

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Number 8 in total crime per capita too.
Total crimes (per capita) by country. Definition, graph and map.

Anyway that is a different debate.

Props to you for referencing data.

Ashame that Chicago has all the homicide despite gun control laws? Again a debate for another threaf.

G&P