Recentle, our president, decided to try and pass a Healthcare Plan. In this plan, everyone in the United would get free Healthcare. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Well first of all, guess who still gets to have private insurance? Thats right- everyone who works in the government (including Obama himself). Shouldn't the government have to comply with the rules they make? Also, in England they have socialized medicine. From waht I know about socialized medicine, it's not a good thing. Will America become like that?
Also, in this healthcare plan, President Obama plans on giving healthcare to illegal immigrants, too. Shouldn't he be helping his country before paying for illegal immigrants to have healthcare? And lastly, who is going to pay for all of this? If the government is paying for healthcare, taht means all our taxes go up! It means that doctors salaries decrease and then if you can't make money in being a doctor, then why go into that proffession? And, they will also decrease the money of the pharmacys. If pharmacies aren't getting enough money, then why are they going to want to continue in medical research.

Like P.J. O'Rourke famously said, "If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free."

Any responces? if you disagree make sure you can back up what you say

paraclete

there has been a great deal of debate and fear mongering in various threads on this subject on this board.

To Help you out.

There are apparently millions of people in the US with out health coverage for various reasons. Part of this may be that the US has the most expensive health care costs in the world

There are a number of successful health care schemes in the world. No one says they are perfect but they deliver health care at a much lower cost than the US system imposes and they generally embrace the principle of universal health care.

Ultimately the taxpayer pays the cost, whether they pay it in lower wages and thus lower tax collections because health care coverage is provided as part of an employment package, or they pay it through the tax system. It is better that the system is open and transparent than that the true costs be hidden. You should also ask why some are allowed to not contribute and risk placing their costs on others

Don't shed any tears for the drug companies, they charge what the market will bear and ultimately their developments become generic or are superceded. Have you seen any drug companies fail even in the GFC?
Where I come from they are closely regulated and price controlled and yet it is profitable to do business in our market

The world will not end because the US government makes health coverage available to more people and some suffering may be averted

George_1950

I don't believe the president's healthcare plan is free; actually, the president doesn't have a plan; he's letting the worms in congress work that out. The plan is loaded with new taxes and so-called savings from fraud and revamping the current Medicare program to show that it is financially palatable. "(t)he bill's total cost, including Medicare changes, is expected to be higher and could push the price tag over $1 trillion, according to an initial CNN analysis." House Democrats unveil $894 billion health care bill - CNN.com This is just a ten year projection by the gov't, which has never figured out anything except how to look stupid.

tomder55

Redhead To Help you out.
let me translate this statement . those who favor the reforms being proposed are "debating " and those of us who oppose the plans proposed are "fear mongering" .

The numbers vary greatly of course as to how many people are without coverage by choice or because of circumstances or just falling through the social safetynet . But this isn't about that really . If it were the remedy would be simple.....add them to Medicare/Medicaid . What is really being proposed is the gutting and dismantling of our entire system so the government can run an industry that represents almost 20% of the US GDP.

What is being said here is that what they really desire is a government run and controlled health care industry . When we "fear monger " it means that we have provided numerous examples where these systems do not provide quality services to the patient .
BINGO !!!
The proponents of this plan demogogue the issue by demonizing the Pharmaceutical and Health Insurance industries because they "profit " from providing quality health care products and services. They would demonize doctors too if they thought they could get away with it.

phlanx

I dont think any country has a perfect health care system, but here everybody has an option of having the standard care offered by the NHS, and they can supliment this by having private medical insurance

By having both systems available it providea healthcare to all of our sujects, while those that can afford it can have the private, but to say it is a socialised system, is a little too far for me

Just because a system allows something for all does not mean it is socialised! You can be conservative and still have empathy for your fellow man

excon

Hello Red:

It's a GOOD thing. What??? You don't like FREE fire protection, or FREE police protection? You don't like driving on our FREE roads? What's not to like about FREE? If you disappear in the forest, they'll come looking for you, for FREE. They clean the snow off your street, for FREE. Who doesn't like FREE?

excon

tomder55

Free food ,free houses are good things too. Why doesn't the government give everyone free food and houses ? Maybe when I dump they can wipe my butt too !

phlanx

Salvo

I rather like the way that parts of china operate

When you are well and fit, you pay the local doctor, when you are sick you dont have to pay him anything till you get better

Imagine a system where this is universal and you can stop paying insurance companies when you are sick - how quick do you think healthcare will be speeded up?

And tom, if you want all that you ask, just get committed to a mental house - free food, free roof, and they will wipe your botty for you as well

tomder55

I don't ;but that's the way we're heading

excon

Hello again, tom:

Let's talk about some of those FREE things you don't like. Here's a story about Joe Middle-Class Republican. He's probably a lot like you.

Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn’t think he should loose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

Its noon time, Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his life-time.

Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dads; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans. The house didn’t have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republican’s would still be sitting in the dark) He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to.

After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home. He turns on a radio talk show, the host’s keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn’t tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day) Joe agrees, “We don’t need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I’m a self made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have”.

excon