Recentle, our president, decided to try and pass a Healthcare Plan. In this plan, everyone in the United would get free Healthcare. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Well first of all, guess who still gets to have private insurance? Thats right- everyone who works in the government (including Obama himself). Shouldn't the government have to comply with the rules they make? Also, in England they have socialized medicine. From waht I know about socialized medicine, it's not a good thing. Will America become like that?
Also, in this healthcare plan, President Obama plans on giving healthcare to illegal immigrants, too. Shouldn't he be helping his country before paying for illegal immigrants to have healthcare? And lastly, who is going to pay for all of this? If the government is paying for healthcare, taht means all our taxes go up! It means that doctors salaries decrease and then if you can't make money in being a doctor, then why go into that proffession? And, they will also decrease the money of the pharmacys. If pharmacies aren't getting enough money, then why are they going to want to continue in medical research.

Like P.J. O'Rourke famously said, "If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free."

Any responces? if you disagree make sure you can back up what you say

tomder55

The bill fundamentally changes how Medicare pays doctors and hospitals, permitting the government to dictate treatment decisions.(can you say deth panels ?)Don't forget ;Dr Zeke Emanuel has written extensively about applying "cost/benefit analysis" to determine who should get care and to what extent.

No wonder Madame Mimi broke her pledge to publish this on line for 72 hrs before the vote. They are still doing back room changes in the bill hours before the vote.

NeedKarma

Link us up to text of the bill that shows this please.

speechlesstx

What bill? The most ethical and transparent Congress ever won't post it.

NeedKarma

So how did tom get his info then?

tomder55

What you are admitting then is that you did not read In's posting preceding mine.
Sec. 1402 (p. 756) says that the results of comparative effectiveness research conducted by the government will be delivered to doctors electronically to guide their use of "medical items and services."

tomder55

The Pelosi unconstitutional socialized medicine monstrosity passed late last night in the House of Representatives . The vote was 220-215 . Only one Republican voted for it while 39 Democrats voted for it. The bipartisan effort was in the opposition to the bill.

I question the constitutional mandate for passing entitlements in the 1st place . This congress has taken it to new depths of depravity.They have passed a law that criminally penalizes people who refuse to exercise the entitlement.

NeedKarma

a) where did he get it then if it's not available as you say?
b) your quote simply says that, for example, in situation "a" procedure "b" is the best course. What's wrong with that?

tomder55

a.There were many revisions right up until the vote . The Speaker promised to post the final bill on line for 72 hrs before a vote. It was a LIE !
That section of the bill was available .

b. I can read between the lines and the legalese . The administration plans on placing people like Zeke Emanual at the head of any agency related to this gvt, plan ;and Emanuel has made his position clear. It will not advise a physicican ;it will dictate tp physicians.

If this bill ,or any version of it ,makes it through the Senate ;seniors on Medicare are going to get screwed . Of that there is no debate .Whatever imaginary savings the Democrats think are in the bill are directly taken from the benefits seniors already have.

NeedKarma

But you can't point us the actual text.

No what you do is make up scare tactics instead of posting the actual parts of the bill.

George_1950

Similarly, "When Asked Where the Constitution Authorizes Congress to Order Americans To Buy Health Insurance, Pelosi Says: 'Are You Serious?'"

CNSNews.com - When Asked Where the Constitution Authorizes Congress to Order Americans To Buy Health Insurance, Pelosi Says: 'Are You Serious?'