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Sep 25, 2013, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by talaniman
So why are you surprised that there are many people who are suffering thru the recession of 2007 and need assistance until things get better?
Why am I not surprised you blame Obama?
Is he or is he not trying to close down the coal industry ?
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Sep 25, 2013, 07:58 AM
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Hello again, tom:
Well there is other stuff needing addressing like liability reform
Hmmmm... FIRST you think injured PATIENTS shouldn't get compensation from a doctor for RUINING their lives... Now, you want to take away EVERYBODY'S rights!!
You just don't like JUDGES judging, do you? You want to take away their ability to sentence people, and now you want to take away their ability to AWARD injured people.. You think people like Ted Cruz ought to be able to decide how much an injury is worth...
Nahhh... That's going to give your darling business's carte blanche to hurt as many people as they want... Nahhh... That ain't America..
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Sep 25, 2013, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by tomder55
is he or is he not trying to close down the coal industry ?
Natural gas, and oil is what's closing down the coal industry. And there is oil and gas in them thar hills. Why are the oil and gas industries keep the wells closed?
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Sep 25, 2013, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by talaniman
Natural gas, and oil is what's closing down the coal industry. And there is oil and gas in them thar hills. Why are the oil and gas industries keep the wells closed?
And the renegade EPA regulations by people with ZERO accountability to anyone has nothing to do with it?
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Sep 25, 2013, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, tom:
Hmmmm... FIRST you think injured PATIENTS shouldn't get compensation from a doctor for RUINING their lives... Now, you wanna take away EVERYBODY'S rights!!!
You just don't like JUDGES judging, do you? You wanna take away their ability to sentence people, and now you wanna take away their ability to AWARD injured people.. You think people like Ted Cruz ought to be able to decide how much an injury is worth....
Nahhh... That's gonna give your darling business's carte blanche to hurt as many people as they want... Nahhh... That ain't America..
excon
I'd like to see where I defended mandatory sentencing . And do you really think that liability insurance is not passed on in the form of higher fees... and is part of the reason for exploding health care costs ?
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Sep 25, 2013, 12:41 PM
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Everything is passed to the consumer except higher wages. If that's not an example of a broken business, and economic model, what is?
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Sep 25, 2013, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, tom:
Hmmmm... FIRST you think injured PATIENTS shouldn't get compensation from a doctor for RUINING their lives... Now, you wanna take away EVERYBODY'S rights!!!
You just don't like JUDGES judging, do you? You wanna take away their ability to sentence people, and now you wanna take away their ability to AWARD injured people.. You think people like Ted Cruz ought to be able to decide how much an injury is worth....
Nahhh... That's gonna give your darling business's carte blanche to hurt as many people as they want... Nahhh... That ain't America..
excon
Ex all he wants to do is put the ambulance chasers and scam artists out of business
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Sep 26, 2013, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by smoothy
And the renegade EPA regulations by people with ZERO accountability to anyone has nothing to do with it?
We get most of our electricity from coal-fired generators and the air is nice and clean here.
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Sep 26, 2013, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
We get most of our electricity from coal-fired generators and the air is nice and clean here.
A very large percentage of this state (Virginia) relies on the Coal industry for jobs as well as electricity. And we have a far greater problem with all the liberal hot air than the coal fired plants or coal mines.
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Sep 26, 2013, 07:54 AM
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The White House is elated that rates reportedly are lower than expected (even though some states won't be able to calculate them until November), as in the rate INCREASES are lower than expected. When asked where the missing comparison was to current rates was Jay Carney gave this answer:
There were numerous projections about what these exchanges which, by the way, did not exist before, including the multitude of plans that will not be available to consumers that did not, that were not in place before. So, obviously, this is not an apples-to-apples. Its a, you know, apple full of worms compared to an apple thats fresh and delicious
Huh?
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Sep 26, 2013, 08:00 AM
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Not even Liberalland lovesObamacare... according to the 9-26-2013 Express, lower right, page 15 (a Washington comPost publication)... in 2010 Washington DC had 918 active primary care physicians reporting to the board... today there are only 453 that even spend more than 20 hours a week seeing patients at all.
For a population of a bit over 632,000
District of Columbia QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau
They don't have it in their online version to link but its in their print copy today. Good luck finding a doctor.
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Sep 26, 2013, 08:16 AM
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The beauty of America is people can make choices. If doctors want to pick customers, let them. We have needed more doctors and nurses for years any way, and health care is a growth industry.
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Sep 26, 2013, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by talaniman
The beauty of America is people can make choices. If doctors want to pick and choose customers, let them. We have needed more doctors and nurses for years any way, and health care is a growth industry.
Obamacare offers no choices.
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Sep 26, 2013, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by talaniman
The beauty of America is people can make choices. If doctors want to pick and choose customers, let them. We have needed more doctors and nurses for years any way, and health care is a growth industry.
THis happened because of Obamacare... they were packing up and closing their offices rather than deal with the crap Obamacare is full of.
THey promised this was going to happen.. and here's proof it is.
Obama can claim responsibility for this. Hope he's proud.
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Sep 26, 2013, 08:28 AM
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That's a false statement, according to the state exchange websites I have visited. Obviously you have not. Start with Kentucky.
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Sep 26, 2013, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by talaniman
That's a false statement, according to the state exchange websites I have visited. Obviously you have not. Start with Kentucky.
Dream on... this was in today's newspaper... published by the Washington comPost which is a VERY liberal publication.
Hey.. you are one of the people that claim liberals never lie.. and the lame stream media tells the truth... well... its them that said this.
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Sep 26, 2013, 08:44 AM
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I understand a law that helps millions of people mostly poor isn't what's popular with you conservatives. But you guys have been crying about Obama care for years now.
Democrats worked with Republicans to make Medicare part D work, to bad the repubs refuse to do the same thing.
4 more days, and then we will see.
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Sep 26, 2013, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by talaniman
I understand a law that helps millions of people mostly poor isn't what's popular with you conservatives. But you guys have been crying about Obama care for years now.
Democrats worked with Republicans to make Medicare part D work, to bad the repubs refuse to do the same thing.
4 more days, and then we will see.
The chance to work with Republicans was when the Obamacare bill was being written.. But no... they had to be crooked and ram it through without a vote.
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Sep 26, 2013, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Obamacare offers no choices.
Yes, the NY Times pointed that out but apparently they know something the Times doesn't.
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Sep 26, 2013, 09:21 AM
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Hello again,
Obamacare offers no choices.
Here are the Obamacare choices offered in MY state:
Qualified Health Plans Selected
The following insurance carriers were approved to sell health plans through Washington Healthplanfinder:
BridgeSpan King, Kitsap, Pierce, Skagit, Snohomish, Thurston, and Spokane
Community Health Plan of Washington Adams, Benton, Chelan, Clark, Cowlitz, Douglas, Ferry, Franklin, Grant, Grays Harbor, King, Kitsap, Lewis, Okanogan, Pacific, Pend Oreille, Pierce, Skagit, Snohomish, Spokane, Stevens, Thurston, Wahkiakum, Walla Walla, Whatcom, Yakima
Coordinated Care Adams, Benton, Chelan, Douglas, Franklin, Grant, Grays Harbor, Jefferson, King, Kitsap, Mason, Pierce, Skagit, Snohomish, Spokane, Thurston, Walla Walla, Yakima
Group Health Cooperative Benton, Columbia, Franklin, Island, King, Kitsap, Kittitas, Lewis, Mason, Pierce, San Juan, Skagit, Snohomish, Spokane, Thurston, Walla Walla, Whatcom, Whitman, and Yakima
LifeWise Health Plan of Washington All 39 counties
Molina Health Care of Washington King, Pierce and Spokane
Premera Blue Cross All counties except Clark
Kaiser Foundation Health Plan of the Northwest Clark and
Cowlitz (Small Business and Individual Market)
Delta Dental of Washington, Kaiser Foundation Health Plan of the Northwest, LifeWise, Premera Blue Cross All 39 counties (Pediatric Dental Only)
These health plans have been certified to meet state and federal requirements for health plans as well as standards developed by Washington Healthplanfinder.
Standard Plan Benefits
Starting in 2014, all health insurance plans are required to provide a certain level of standard benefits known as Essential Health Benefits. The federal Affordable Care requires that all health plans offered in the individual and small group markets must provide these items and services. These benefits fit into the following 10 categories:
Ambulatory patient services
Emergency services
Hospitalization
Maternity and newborn care
Mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment
Prescription drugs
Rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices
Laboratory services
Preventive and wellness services and chronic disease management
Pediatric services, including dental and vision care
Levels of Coverage
Washington Healthplanfinder will allow shoppers to find a plan that fits their needs and their budget by offering side-by-side comparisons of health plans based on a variety of factors such as cost, quality and physician networks. Plan options will be broken down into metal tiers including Gold, Silver and Bronze based on the level of coverage they provide:
Gold Plans: Gold plans cover 80 percent of the cost of essential health benefits, while the patient pays 20 percent.
Silver Plans: Silver plans cover 70 percent of the cost of essential health benefits, while the patient pays 30 percent.
Bronze Plans: Bronze plans cover 60 percent of the cost of essential health benefits, while the patient pay 40 percent.
All plans on Washington Healthplanfinder will have new limits on out-of-pocket costs, including deductibles and co-payments, of $6,350 for an individual and $12,700 for a family.
"A "catastrophic" plan will also be offered. This is a type of health care plan only available through Washington Healthplanfinder for individuals under age 30. This type of plan generally offers the least coverage with the lowest monthly premiums.
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