And I still ask, does Pete Stark still owe the people an apology?

While you're debating that ex, let's get back to the OP. This is NOT about Joe Wilson, I asked specifically "do those who think it's all about race want us to give him a chance - or do they expect us to just roll over and let him do what he wants?"

Hello again, Steve:

Couple things... As a current rightwinger, you should be familiar with the refrain, two wrongs don't make a right...

IF somebody in the past broke with house tradition, is it then OK for everybody?? This is kind of like your position about the terrorists... THEY determine how we behave. You're apparently saying that Pete Stark determines how the Republicans should behave... I didn't know HE was in charge of YOUR party. Besides, if the principle you're espousing is valid, why don't you SHOW those Democrats how to behave instead of acting like 'em?

excon

First of all you're still ignoring my original post. Secondly, I haven't condoned Wilson's outburst but as I said, he apologized and it was accepted. Stark did not and the same Speaker that censured Wilson let that slide. It has nothing to do with 2 wrongs making a right, it's about holding them BOTH to the SAME STANDARD which IS showing those Democrats how to behave.

In keeping with racism and giving him a chance can you explain this
Obama captured 43% of the white vote while McCain captured 4% of the black vote,
Obama just continues to make questionable appointments one of which is a advisor who made vulgar remarks referring to republicans <no big deal> but also signed a petition in 04 suggesting that the 9/11 attacks was an inside job by the u.s.government.
Again actions not race

Hello again, Steve:

Maybe I WAS ignoring it... Ok, I'll get to it...

No, of course I don't think you should lay down. But, you got to admit that if you pay attention to the world, certain thoughts just kind of pop into your head...

It's like the Mark Fuhrman thread. This is a guy who has been proven to use the N word and has DENIED it... Therefore, the thought that he's a racist kind of popped into my head. I don't know where it came from...

Then I saw him on Hannity arguing with a black man. The thought that he might be calling his opponent the N word under his breath also just kind of popped into my head... I don't know where that came from either...

So, I don't know if criticism of Obama from your side is legit or NOT. It's VERY hard to tell. But, I'm NOT nuts because those thoughts pop up. Especially when I KNOW that Joe Wilson is a racist, just like Fuhrman. His history PROVES it, just like Fuhrman.

You're a reasonable guy. That's why I KNOW these thoughts pop into your head too.

excon

Especially when I KNOW that Joe Wilson is a racist... because Maureen Dowd told me so

Or you could look at his actions.

Dowd, chief of the thought police, should be aware of this. Are you going to report me to her? Is she hiding the precogs somewhere?



Where I come from my thoughts, whatever they may be, are not a crime.

Hello again, Need:

You'd also find that he was one of the supporters of a bill that would keep the Confederate flag flying over the Capital in Columbia.

Or, you could believe Rush Limpdude. But, no. When he played Barrak the Magic Negro on air, those thoughts that the Drugster might be a racist too kept popping up... But, nahhh. I must not be thinking straight.

excon

I believe in equality. Now America has white and black presidents. Will people of other races have a chance to be president? (rhetorical question) For some reason I don't think society can open up to that just yet.

Y'know what?

I own part of that house where Joe shouted at the pres. It belongs to me as much as anybody else in this country,

And Y'know what?

The fact that Joe hollered the truth out doesn't bother me one bit!

Still on that? You do know - I know you do - that that was a parody based on a claim by an Obot. But I get it, a conservative can't make fun of a supporter of a black president any more than he can criticize a black president's policies. Decorum demands us to just roll over for The One.

I think you are absolutely wrong about that.

But it wasn't the truth at all, he was wrong.

Republican Playbook!

Why is that? I just have a hard picture imagining a Russian, Indian, Chinese, British and a lot more being the president of America one day.

Actually, Wilson was proven correct about the fact that Obama lied.

And Obama has been proven to have lied multiple times in his speech to Congress.

Obama Speech Fact Check The Foundry

Obama's Health Care Speech | FactCheck.org

Scott Harrington: Fact-Checking the President on Health Insurance - WSJ.com



Which means that Wilson WAS telling the truth.

Elliot