New York's 23rd Congressional District

George_1950 · Oct 27, 2009, 10:24 AM

Lots of ink and hot air expended over the role of a third party candidate and the Republican establishment. Revolutions are never easy, and are places for the bravest of the brave. The Republican establishment certainly is not brave.

"A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers." Ronaldus Maximus

1975 CPAC Speech by Governor Ronald Reagan (R-CA)

btw: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...tion-1119.html

ETWolverine · Nov 2, 2009, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello tom:

This isn't really about NY. It just a precursor of how the Republicans are gonna act nationwide. They're moving to the right hoping to find a LOT of people there just waiting for them to catch up....

I actually, think you're going to find oblivion out there. I asked Elliot which party these right wing masses are members of NOW. He didn't seem to know.

excon

So let me get this straight.

You already think that Hoffman is going to win because of this shift to the right. You said so here:

"But, since you discarded the Republican, and embraced the third party candidate, you ensured his win..."

And this is taking place in NY, one of the most liberal states in the union.

But you think that the REST of the country is somewhere to the left or moderate.

You are essentially saying that a rightward shift, which is showing success in liberal NY is going to fail in the rest of the country, which is ALREADY to the right of NY.

Does this stance make any sense to anyone besides excon?

As to where these Conservatives are right now... they're waiting for the rest of the party to move to the right and join them. They're out there... always have been. They are the ones who voted for Bush twice despite the loud discontent of so much of the country. They are the ones who supported the Iraq surge, despite the anti-war position of so much of the country. They are the ones showing up in the poll I posted in the other thread. They show up when they're needed.

Elliot

George_1950 · Nov 2, 2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

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As to where these Conservatives are right now... they're waiting for the rest of the party to move to the right and join them. They're out there... always have been....

Elliot

A coalition of seniors (that's right, those on Medicare) and conservatives could constitute a political tsunami in 2010 and 2012. Ha ha ha! The Demorcratic Party throwing seniors under the bus, indeed!

speechlesstx · Nov 2, 2009, 09:11 AM

Elliot, it's the same kind of logic that would lead to Frank Rich to claim the rejection of one RINO in NY-23 is tantamount to a Stalinist purge.

George_1950 · Nov 2, 2009, 10:01 AM

"Fearful that the party had almost no chance of winning the Nov. 3 New York special election after Republican nominee Dede Scozzafava abruptly announced Saturday that she was dropping out, high-ranking national Democrats immediately began working to secure her endorsement of Democrat Bill Owens, POLITICO has learned.

"On Sunday afternoon, their vigorous efforts paid off as Scozzafava bucked her own party and issued a statement supporting Owens over Conservative Party nominee Doug Hoffman, a coup for Democrats, who recognized that their best remaining chance of winning the Republican-leaning seat on Tuesday was to swing disaffected Scozzafava supporters their way. By Sunday night, Scozzafava had taped her endorsement and it was being delivered via robo-call into targeted district households."
Winning Dede Scozzafava: How Democrats got her nod - Jonathan Martin and Charles Mahtesian - POLITICO.com

Need any further proof that the Democrat and northeastern Republican party are joined at the hip? Any word whether Arlen Specter is campaigning for the Democrat?

inthebox · Nov 2, 2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

So let me get this straight.

You already think that Hoffman is going to win because of this shift to the right. You said so here:

"But, since you discarded the Republican, and embraced the third party candidate, you ensured his win..."

And this is taking place in NY, one of the most liberal states in the union.

But you think that the REST of the country is somewhere to the left or moderate.

You are essentially saying that a rightward shift, which is showing success in liberal NY is going to fail in the rest of the country, which is ALREADY to the right of NY.

Does this stance make any sense to anyone besides excon?

As to where these Conservatives are right now... they're waiting for the rest of the party to move to the right and join them. They're out there... always have been. They are the ones who voted for Bush twice despite the loud discontent of so much of the country. They are the ones who supported the Iraq surge, despite the anti-war position of so much of the country. They are the ones showing up in the poll I posted in the other thread. They show up when they're needed.

Elliot

Also see Lamont vs Lieberman in Conn. Compared to Lamont, Joe is conservative, and he won.

G&P

speechlesstx · Nov 2, 2009, 02:48 PM

The AP is already pre-spinning the election results for tomorrow...

tomder55 · Nov 2, 2009, 02:53 PM

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Any word whether Arlen Specter is campaigning for the Democrat?

Oh he's running alright ;for a 6th term.He faces both a liberal challenge in the Democrat primaries by Democratic Congressman Joe Sestak ,and may face Republican Pat Toomey (Club for Growth) in the 2010 general election if he survives the primary.
Specter’s approval rating is at 23%.

tomder55 · Nov 3, 2009, 04:49 AM

The Republican leadership ....late to recognizing reality have taken the opportunity of the Scozzafava endorsement of Democrat Owens to give their public mea culpas.

Boehner regrets Scozzafava support - Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

I have to ask Minority Leader Boehner if this is what he considers leadership ? You wonder why the Republicans are in trouble ? It's not the conservatives ;it's the wishy washy leadership that would accept and support a candidate that was so radically left as to garner the support of the Daily Kossack's Markos Moulitsas .Instead of leading the party they are now jumping on a bandwagon that began rolling months ago.

George_1950 · Nov 3, 2009, 06:33 AM

"In what could be a nightmare scenario for Republican Party officials, conservative activists are gearing up to challenge leading GOP candidates in more than a dozen key House and Senate races in 2010."
Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates - Charles Mahtesian and Alex Isenstadt - POLITICO.com
Actually, there is no 'nightmare'; this may characterize the perspective of some on the inside. Every roach and rodent perceives fumigation as some kind of nightmare. Some of these bozos are incumbants, but they do not have tenure.

excon · Nov 4, 2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by George_1950

"In what could be a nightmare scenario for Republican Party officials, conservative activists are gearing up to challenge leading GOP candidates in more than a dozen key House and Senate races in 2010."

Hello George:

It WAS a nightmare last night, but not for who you thought it would be. It appears that consuming yourselves is NOT a good idea.

excon



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