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excon · Sep 18, 2009, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Not two minutes ago, FOX news conducted an "opinion dynamics poll". It found that the opposition to President Obama's policies are:

65% Honest disagreements

20% Motivated by racism.

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

No, you're misrepresenting the question.

The question wasn't "is your opposition to Obama's policies motivated by racism or honest disagreement?" They are answering with an opinion on the motivation of others, not themselves. 20% think everyone else is motivated by race.

Hello Steve:

Given that wording is CRUCIAL in polling data, I took GREAT care to word my post EXACTLY as reported on FOX. I didn't see or hear the wording that distinguishes "others opinion" from the respondents very own opinion.

I think I got it right... Cause if they weren't talking about themselves, they were talking about Uncle Donny Ray down on the farm...

excon

spitvenom · Sep 18, 2009, 08:59 AM

Why does the right always compare REAL LIFE with Movies and TV. They justify torture because it is in movies and then defend a racist because of the Dukes of Hazard?? Guys TV SHOWS ARE FAKE!!

Catsmine · Sep 18, 2009, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by excon

you deign to know what's in Joe Wilson's head, when he yelled at the first black president of the United States...

This is an example of what the race-baiters call subliminal racism. Ex had to call Mr. Obama the first black president. Dowd, the Southern Poverty Law Center, Al Sharpton, et al. would call Ex a racist for saying that, and would admit that he might not even know he's a racist.

Are you, Excon?

speechlesstx · Sep 18, 2009, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello Steve:

Given that wording is CRUCIAL in polling data, I took GREAT care to word my post EXACTLY as reported on FOX. I didn't see or hear the wording that distinguishes "others opinion" from the respondents very own opinion.

I think I got it right... Cause if they weren't talking about themselves, they were talking about Uncle Donny Ray down on the farm...

excon

Ex, sorry buddy but on this one I KNOW I'm right. It is carefully worded and couldn't be more clear, "Do you think opposition to Obama’s policies is motivated by racism or based on honest disagreements?" With your view of it, 20% of the 42% of respondents that were Democrats are racists. I'd buy that, would you?

excon · Sep 18, 2009, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Catsmine

This is an example of what the race-baiters call subliminal racism. Ex had to call Mr. Obama the first black president. Dowd, the Southern Poverty Law Center, Al Sharpton, et al. would call Ex a racist for saying that, and would admit that he might not even know he's a racist. Are you a racist?

Hello Cat:

Mentioning someone's race and casting aspersions about it are two different things.

Would it surprise me to learn that there are some kooky people who would think mentioning his race is racist?? Nope, not at all. If you want to label me a racist because I mention race, knock yourself out.

excon

Catsmine · Sep 18, 2009, 09:45 AM

I know different, Ex. But every time a talking head with more melanin than me comes on the tube that's the kind of propaganda they spout so they can justify their outdated jobs.

excon · Sep 18, 2009, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

With your view of it, 20% of the 42% of respondents that were Democrats are racists. I'd buy that, would you?

Hello again, Steve:

Sure, assuming that FOX's audience is equally broken down between Democrats and Republicans... But, even so, Democrats have PLENTY of racists in their ranks.

And, I agree with the wording... If the people answering DO oppose his policies, then I suggest they answered for themselves...

excon

speechlesstx · Sep 18, 2009, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by excon

I BELIEVE you. I DON'T think you have a racist bone in your body. I DO think you have racists in your party. I think you DENY it, and I don't know why. Maybe, like the Wolverine, your winger credentials prevent you from seeing it...

Never have denied it, just as there are racists on the other side. THEY are far more egregious at pretending they don't have any racists among them.

I say that, because even after you are aware of the public record of Joe Wilson, you say his public outburst wasn't based upon his racist views.

Nope, I say there's no evidence. Dowd's inference is not evidence.

I believe somewhere above, you even conceded that he IS a racist. Yet, like Maureen Dowd, you deign to know what's in Joe Wilson's head, when he yelled at the first black president of the United States...

Nope, I conceded the possibility.

You are free to believe that it came from his stance on policy... I don't know WHAT evidence YOU have of that, any more than I have about what he's thinking... Except, I DO have his RECORD on MY side. That's bigger than what you got.

I prefer to base such a serious charge on the ACTUAL events, not manufactured outrage. And as I said in my post on Obama being a black president this isn't about Wilson - Carter, Pitts, Johnson and others have indicted the American public and it's inexcusable.

speechlesstx · Sep 18, 2009, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Sure, assuming that FOX's audience is equally broken down between Democrats and Republicans... But, even so, Democrats have PLENTY of racists in their ranks.

And, I agree with the wording... If the people answering DO oppose his policies, then I suggest they answered for themselves...

You're still bobbing and weaving but I'm going to set you straight yet. The question was not "do you oppose his policies?" The question had entirely to do with their opinion of the reasons behind the opposition among the public, and I know you're smart enough to know that.

ETWolverine · Sep 18, 2009, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by spitvenom

Why does the right always compare REAL LIFE with Movies and TV. They justify torture because it is in movies and then defend a racist because of the Dukes of Hazard?!?!?!?! Guys TV SHOWS ARE FAKE!!!!!

Yep... but it's a FAKE show where the GOOD GUYS are depicted as liking and appreciating the Stars & Bars. They GLORIFIED the Confederate Flag and turned it into a symbol of "good" that battled the "evil" of Boss Hogg on a weekly basis for 6 years.

So... were they wrong to do that? Were they being racist?

Because, like it or not, what is shown on TV has an effect in real life. What TV glorifies is often what becomes the big trend in pop culture and is copied by REAL PEOPLE. Particularly that show. There's a reason that a certain kind of denim shorts are called "Daisy Dukes".

The General Lee is one of the most famous TV cars ever, and lots of people have copied that vehicle, including all of its sybology. Are they racists too?

Elliot

spitvenom · Sep 18, 2009, 11:43 AM

Hey ET did you ever see the horrible movie remake of the Dukes of Hazard. When their car gets busted up and then their friend fixes it up and paints it with the flag on it. They go into the city ( I think Atlanta)get called racists and almost get their @$$ kicked for having a confederate flag on the car.

So in that light yes the original dukes of hazards writers or prop designers or producer or who ever let that symbol of hate be on that car are racists.

speechlesstx · Sep 18, 2009, 01:36 PM

Spit, I love the Beverly Hillbillies. You mean to tell me the Clampetts were racist?

Speaking of racists, apparently comedian Paul Rodriguez is one. He dared criticize Obama for cutting off the water to the San Joaquin Valley to save some silly little fish.

Comedian Paul Rodriguez says, “We could feed the world with this valley,” and while that’s a bit of an exaggeration, it certainly helps feed the nation. “The only thing growing here is despair,” Rodriguez says. “We grew more food with less water, and for our reward, you cut the water off,” Rodriguez tells Barack Obama, the candidate Rodriguez supported in the election. “What’s up with that?”

spitvenom · Sep 18, 2009, 01:57 PM

Yes they hillbillies would be. When Paul Rodriguez flies a confederate flag then I will say he is a racist. I actually agree with Rodriguez about those F-ing fish!!

speechlesstx · Sep 18, 2009, 02:28 PM

Come on, criticism of Obama's policies is clearly racism. I'm sure jokes about ACORN are, too...