The nation is talking greatly now and has decided that Obama, who is left of Hillary Clinton on most things important to Americans, is simply unelectable. After her victorious win in Pennsylvania, Hillary has apparently more than convinced people across the nation that she would make a better president than Obama and the nation is now agreeing with her! In fact, she is now even beating McCain! If Obama truly wants to get a Democrat as president in the Oval Office by next January, he should gracefully bow out of the race now and save the party from further struggles! This trend can only continue with Hillary winning more and more support and even the superdelegates who are now seriously looking at her!

For the story: ABC News: AP POLL: Clinton Beats McCain By Wider Margin Than Obama

NeedKarma

It's kind of hard to ignore this kind of dedication:

speechlesstx

The point wasn't stats or American history, but "the amount of Jeremiah Wright that's packed in" Obama's "openly radical" background as RS put it. Seems everyone sees it but you my friend.

Bobby, RS notes above that Obama “uses Wright as a "sounding board" to "make sure I'm not losing myself in the hype and hoopla." Obama said, “Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.” And besides calling him his “mentor” he said, “he has been like family to me.” Those are facts, not opinions. If he never discussed politics with Wright why did he name him to a committee on his campaign?

My point has nothing to do with recognizing “sides” of religious history or blacks using the church as” a sanctuary to discuss their treatment.” I recognize their history and don’t begrudge them using the church as such a sanctuary – but that has nothing to do with the validity of “black theology.” Wright claims, “Jesus was a poor black man who lived in a country and who lived in a culture, that was controlled by rich white people!” That’s factually incorrect, it’s a revisionist view created to support a racist theology that has no place in the church.

I can’t help that some confused white dude buys into black theology, my church is colorblind.

Not at all, I’ve made it clear from the start of the campaign that race is not an issue for me and I’m not neglecting history - I was discussing Christian theology.

Disregarding the first sentence, I feel exactly the same way. I would no more vote for a candidate with “Afrocentric” views than I would one with “Eurocentric” views. To do so would be an affront to everyone else…and that’s my point.

BABRAM

Everyone? I think we should give our fellow Americans more credit for being well rounded about every subject, rather than a mass plighted by tunnel vision. Provided Obama gets the nomination, come November let's see if your "everyone" sees it. I'll try to let your "everyone" down as easy as possible.


Wright is the retired ex-pastor with extreme personal views. I have disagreements with rabbis. So?! Controversial, but not of the context which Obama heard from later in those redundant soundbites. He was not at those specific services and again, to the blatant deafness of McCainites, it has been investigated by the media and proved that indeed Obama was not in attendance. And since when is being treated like family not an act of Christian kindness? That's a weird point to debate.





Well I assume you ingested some facts that I gave you earlier. Again Wright puts addendum to Black theology, that includes is his own personal views. Coincidentally, I don't buy that your so colorblind. Last post you told how you wouldn't vote for anyone "Afrocentric", and now your concerned over Jesus skin color. While not all Black theologians agree on Jesus' skin color, you should learn that every culture in the world has Jesus depicted to their surrounding. Have you ever seen portraits of "Japanese Jesus?" How about "Aryan Jesus" hanging on the walls of American art galleries? When the Irish came to America they were looked upon as the new black.

Black Theology: Retrospect and Prospect (July 1979, Vol. 2):

"Whether one examines the contributions of George Liele or Andrew Bryan at the Yamacraw Baptist Church in 1777, or that of Absalom Jones and Richard Allen at Bethel Methodist Church in 1787, it becomes very evident that the attempt by black people to relate God to the black experience in a way which called into question the forces."


Fair enough. With so many Christian theology brands to choose from, like domination's, good luck.


What a surprise! We disagree again! As an American, I'd vote for either one!

SkyGem

And in the meantime, it is HILLARY who continues to Climb in Popularity! Just look at the following! It appears Wright had the Wrong effect on Obama's campaign, but for Obama, it is too late to change that! This is from TODAY!

Political Radar: Obama's Negatives Rise, Clinton Tops McCain in New Poll

NeedKarma

BABRAM

Steve- I didn't know that you and Sky were both voting for Hillary. So many new revelations in one day. Wow!

speechlesstx

Bobby, why are those of us who see Wright's influence on Obama, 20 years of membership, self-admitted mentor, friend, 'sounding board,' inspiration, etc. - and see the difference between Hillary's pastor's secret crime and Hagee's non-influence on McCain - the ones with tunnel vision? Even some of Wright's defenders noticed he went off the deep end this past weekend and acknowledge the justified problems Obama is in over this relationship - not to mention Obama and Wright themselves acknowledging the potential for controversy a year ago. And we have tunnel vision?


You keep saying that but not showing us. "Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."

You're taking things in a direction I haven't gone again. Your point is irrelevant to what I said, the discussion was on Wright's influence on Obama and that comment was one facet of a larger context.

LOL, no - you assumed I was ignorant of things of which I'm not ignorant. I don't know of a pastor that doesn't inject his or her own views into sermons, but I know about the Christian church and Christian theology and Wright's racism and antics have no place in either.

I never expressed concern, I said Wright's comments were "a revisionist view created to support a racist theology."

Yes, Jesus has been depicted with various racial identities - that wasn't my point. The point is Wright's brand of 'Christianity' is fabricated to support racist theology. Again, from one of Wright's admitted inspirations, James Cone:

That's not all:

Now you would have us believe that this man who would be president, who studied for two years at Occidental College, graduated from Columbia University and magna laude from Harvard Law School somehow didn't notice or comprehend this racist theology over a period of 20 years? Or, if he did it was just some insignificant area of disagreement with his friend and mentor?

It has nothing to do with denominationalism, but the core principles of Christianity in which we do not find justification for racism and polarization in the church body.

That's odd Bobby, seeing as it is the left that preaches against this "white dominated society" and I'm the one saying I wouldn't vote for someone with that world view.

NeedKarma

So you WANT a "white dominated society"?

speechlesstx

Sure it is if you look at the page as is:

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BABRAM

Steve-

Instead of me coming home after a long day at the office to play chase Republican ghost postulates, or going over and over Black history another time or two with you, or discussing the numerous theologies that Christians teach, I'll just say that a few things you've said in these threads are disturbing, and I completely disagree. Granted much of all our views are based on experiences, our cultures, and ethnic history. For example: my family often jests that our family's tree looks like the United Nations. I'll make no excuses, perhaps this does place my ideologies closer to Obama, than McCain (or Clinton for that matter). I do like the fact that Obama is liberal on some issues and I'll add my deep respect and gratitude for him being a civil rights lawyer. Your arguments mostly boil down to this, is Obama a racist? The answer is, absolutely not! I'm waiting for McCain to charge him otherwise in the national debates. McCainites will regret that decision.