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Ok, i'm sure you have all heard about the kid that ran away from the military to Canada to avoid going to Iraq. His first excuse was that he thought if he returned he'd be persecuted, but since that didn't fly, he decided to claim the war was illegal. Obviously because this wasn't his first opinoin he is jsut making up excuses. Also, he VOLUNTEERED FOR THE MILITARY!!!! It's not like he was drafted and is dodging. Holy cow, what kind of person volunteers for the military knowing he will probably go to Iraq, and after he sucks on my tax dollars, he chickens out a few days before departure and flees to Canada. I understand he's scared to go to war, i sure would be. But what a waste and dishonor!!!!!! Especially for just using the excuse that the war is illegal (which has yet to be proven). This boy has dug himself a HUGE hole, and i don't think he really knows what he's doing.
Hi,
"But the fact is we are stuck. For us to just pull out at this point would be to destabilize the situation and just make things worse. yes we need to withdraw, but it needs to be done right to maintain the stability of the region."
The above quote was used many times during the Viet Nam war. Many said if we pull out now, it will give the wrong signal to the Troops; not to mention "stabilize the region". Over 50,000 American lives were lost in that war. I am not saying this many will be lost in Iraq. One life is too many for a "cause" that was a mistake to begin with. We get caught up in fighting all over the world, staying much longer than we should, because some think we have to stay there, to "stabilize". The pull-out timetable is now 2006, which is yet to be seen.
Hi,
"But the fact is we are stuck. For us to just pull out at this point would be to destabilize the situation and just make things worse. yes we need to withdraw, but it needs to be done right to maintain the stability of the region."
The above quote was used many times during the Viet Nam war. Many said if we pull out now, it will give the wrong signal to the Troops; not to mention "stabilize the region". Over 50,000 American lives were lost in that war. I am not saying this many will be lost in Iraq. One life is too many for a "cause" that was a mistake to begin with. We get caught up in fighting all over the world, staying much longer than we should, because some think we have to stay there, to "stabilize". The pull-out timetable is now 2006, which is yet to be seen.
You are right, the same argument was used to stay in VietNam. And look what happened when we just pulled out! And the situation is worse in Iraq. At least North Vietnam had a stable government to take over.
Do you think that we are really supporting our troops by calling for a unilateral pullout?
I'm curious, how did you feel about the prospect of this war before we invaded?
Right after "W" was first elected, the consensus in our neighborhood was we would be in Iraq within a year.To our surprise that didn't happen.But along comes 911 and we end up in Afghanistan.We were all for it,go get Bin Laden.Then to our surprise,we hear aboutthe connection between alQaida and Saddam and weapons of mass destruction.Next thing you know we have invaded Iraq.At the time I thought it was a stretch to connect the Saddam regime to alQaida especially after the U.N. found nothing in Iraq no evidence of wmd's,but George went anyway.What was interesting were the deals everybody had cut to get oil from Saddam at a cutrate price(france,germany,russia to name a few) and the oil for food abuse that came out and the U.N.sect.general knew about it.I suspect that George knew too.Our invasion cut all that short but still I would not have commited going to Iraq.In light of the debacle with the homeland security and the lack of a solid plan to fight terror the only thing I see is **** Cheney's boys making millions no billion in Iraq.
There has never been stability in the middle east And sadly probably never will be
This is true, but one can dream
I also agree with your other points. your view of the history of the Iraqi invasion jives almost exactly with mine. I supported Afghanistan without reservation. I was just as adamantly against Iraq. While the US has manufactured justification for war before (Remember the Maine!), it has never been as blatant or as imperialistic as this time.
Hi,
"But the fact is we are stuck. For us to just pull out at this point would be to destabilize the situation and just make things worse. yes we need to withdraw, but it needs to be done right to maintain the stability of the region."
The above quote was used many times during the Viet Nam war. Many said if we pull out now, it will give the wrong signal to the Troops; not to mention "stabilize the region". Over 50,000 American lives were lost in that war. I am not saying this many will be lost in Iraq. One life is too many for a "cause" that was a mistake to begin with. We get caught up in fighting all over the world, staying much longer than we should, because some think we have to stay there, to "stabilize". The pull-out timetable is now 2006, which is yet to be seen.
It's unfortunate, and the VietNam war was doomed to be a fiasco - it was started by another country, and the US was asked to 'clean up', some troops were not killed by the enemy, but by the cheap drugs provided by the enemy and also 'friendly fire'. What gets me upset is how the troops that did survive got treated after coming home, even though they made several munitions factories rich. The mid-east is an unfortunate necessity to prevent threats worldwide - but also for self-gain for countries waiting like vultures for profits. As I said before, there has always been blood in that ground and will continue to be and in my opinion it has to do with the rising dissent of religious fanatics as well and must be contained and not allowed to spread. This was not the case in VietNam. I wonder how the surviving troops of this 'crusade' will be treated upon their return. Will they also be a burden to those who don't want to face the reality of weakensses within? Does anyone know where the word 'skapegoat' originated?
The RETURN OF THE WHIZ(not the chesse although magically delicious)
"Whiz,
You have posted some very intelligent and thoughtful remarks, but you need to study your history and current events much more. I would strongly suggest that you pick up your daily paper and read the news. You don't have to read all the articles, but scanning the headlines and reading the first paragraph or two will give you a much better idea of what is going on in the world.
For example, you question about Hussein shows a real lack of following even the highlights of what is going on. The trial has been prominently featured.
Karl Marx and Frederick Engels were Germans. When they wrote the Communist Manifesto, it was not for any specific country, but rather as the blueprint for a social revolution. The Manifesto was written in 1848 more than 50 years before the October Revolutions. It was adopted by radical Russians, seeking to overthrow the Tsar that ruled Russia but it was never written by Marx for Russia.
Communism as a political system was corrupted by the Russians. And it failed because it really goes against human nature.
As to pulling out of Iraq, I'm afraid your naivete is showing. I have been vocal about the mistake that was made in getting involved in the first place. But the fact is we are stuck. For us to just pull out at this point would be to destabilize the situation and just make things worse. yes we need to withdraw, but it needs to be done right to maintain the stability of the region.
Scott<>"
First, Scott where were you last year when I was taking world history, lol. But more to the point, Iraq I believe is a lost cause, many times I think we shouldn't be over there at all, but we should help these people who are suffering. I also think that just because we are a super power doesn't mean we should play world policeman. I think in the future when an incident like this happens again and it will, we should try to force more countries to help and get more UN involvment. I agree that pulling out entirely right now without fixing or stabilizing the region would mean that many soldiers would have died in vain. I just hope that we start focusing more on our own problems than the worlds, in washington's farewell address he wanted americans to avoid entaglements with foreign powers, which I believe is something that we should try to reinstate in to America's thinking. We should help, and we will I know we will, but it would be nice for us to not be the only ones.
A Whiz divided against himself, cannot stand.
The gist of this is a unmarried teacher at a catholic school was fired when she informed the school that she was pregnant. The grounds for the dismissal was guidelines in the teacher's handbook. The NYCLU is charging discrimination because enforcement is skewed against females (How do you know a man is having sex out of wedlock?).
And yes I think this goes too far. IF the woman was raped, that might be one thing. But if it was consensual sex, then she made her own bed and now must lie in it (sorry bad pun). I believe that religious school teachers sign a contract and I'm sure the contract has a morals clause. I think the school is within their rights to dismiss her. Given that's its a religious school, a think having an unwed pregnant teacher kinda sends a message they are within their rights to not want to send.
Personally, I think it would be better to suspend her (without pay) until after the birth, but that's just me.
Whether or not they should fire her or suspend, i'm not going to discuss, BUT it's a private school. I'm sick of these people trying to punish private organizations for having guidlines and enforcing them.
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