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Mar 22, 2008, 11:28 PM
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| The White House later said Cheney didn't say "so," but the video proves he did. So it's not enough that the VP ignores continued public unhappiness? The White House lies to defend the VP? |
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Mar 23, 2008, 01:24 AM
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| "I think we cannot be blown off course by the fluctuations of the public opinion polls "
yes ;leaders do not make policy based on public opinion polls. |
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Mar 23, 2008, 05:02 AM
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| Thank goodness for context:
"The White House later released a transcript which shows that Cheney's first response wasn't "so" as ABC presented on its broadcast.
"When first informed by Raddatz that "two-thirds of Americans say [the Iraq war] was not worth fighting," the vice president responded, "They ought to go spend time, like you and I have, Martha. You know what's been happening in Iraq. You've been there as much as anybody. There has, in fact, been fundamental change and transformation, and improvement for the better. I think even you would admit that."
This could be titled, or sub-titled, "Driveby Media v. Cheney".
Does the media ask Americans what they think about paying taxes? What is the approval rating of the IRS? What about the approval rating of Congress? |
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Mar 23, 2008, 05:23 AM
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| and yes, I guess "SO" this is of course why the US is a republic where the government can and do not always follow the majority but do things for the benfit of the county. And fo course I am sad that 100 percent or people don't dislike war, So of course when it is for the national defense, and the protection of our nation.
and as George mentioned merely people not liking something has little effect on it, such as the IRS, Congress, and and many other things.
So to answer "so" is not polite but very true, I guess he should have said that the country has a obligation to do things for the safety of the US and the World, but "so" sota says it all. |
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Mar 23, 2008, 06:54 AM
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| We have and enjoy a free press, and it is an adversarial press, which is fine.
So why does Billary not release their tax returns? Because their campaign understands fully well there will be a tsunami of adverse public opinion about the sources of their income.
Fr_Chuck is exactly right in that our three branches of government have not been chosen to follow the will of public opinion, as the U.S. is not a democracy; they are entrusted with and are given a presumption of doing what is right. |
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Mar 23, 2008, 06:59 AM
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| Yes, the idea that we are a democracy, which appears to be taught in school now adays for some reason, is just not true, there are many safe guards to protect the government from the will of the people, one is the process to elect a president, they are not elected by popular vote for example, look at the process of the super delegates for the democratic party, to protect the party from the will of the people if they go after someone that is not in the best interest of the party
Which is why Supreme Court Judges are appointed not elected. Which is why we don't vote on almost any issues, but allow the laws to be passed by those elected. |
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Mar 23, 2008, 07:32 AM
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Mar 23, 2008, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by George_1950 Fr_Chuck is exactly right in that our three branches of government have not been chosen to follow the will of public opinion, as the U.S. is not a democracy; they are entrusted with and are given a presumption of doing what is right. | Hello George:
I don't disagree.
However, being a fellow who agrees with Ronald Reagan when he said, the problem IS government, I would change your last sentence to read thusly:
"...they are given the powers of government, we hope they use them wisely, and we're gonna watch 'em closely to make sure they do.
Personally, I don't PRESUME that anyone in government is doing ANYTHING right.
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Mar 23, 2008, 09:04 AM
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| I agree with the Padre. He was just being his rude self. His Momma named him right. She took one look at the baby and said, "Now that's a Di#K if I ever saw one!" |
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