Years back I used to go to PP for ob/gyn. I used their services for 3 years before I switch to another clinic. I must say that I loved the services they provided but I dreaded going there because every time I went there protesters would be out front bothering everyone that went inside thinking they were going in to get an abortion. One day I got into an agreement with one because she was all in my face about not getting an abortion.

A lot of abortions clinic offer services other than abortions but some people tend to only focus on that part. I don't think by purchases these gift certificates your giving someone the gift of death and besides when you give someone something it is up to the person to use it for anything they want.

I for one is not to keen on abortions however it is the woman right to choose what they want to do. Everyone is entitle to that.

As insane as I felt this reported news was, it was reported that one family planning started this idea and her robust opinion is what I find insane.

Note :
Betty Cockrum, president and CEO of Planned Parenthood of Indiana, characterizes the response to the gift certificates as "pretty robust, and generally very favorable."


Yet in every posted message here in this thread, I have heard no one mention any response to the linked web site of Gianna Jessen. Unless I missed something?

It is Gianna's actions and opinion that I found worth mentioning as applauding . She puts the heart of love into what we should appreciate of each individual and their right to life..

Facts and the reporting of all facts can be the difference in someones life. Even the life of an unborn baby.

Does anyone agree with Gianna Jessen?

Gianna Jessen was mentioned and debated during the campaign I think when the issue of the Illinois Born Alive Infants Protection Act came up .

Here is her testimony to Congress during the Born Alive Infant Protection Act of 2000 debates :
Testimony of Gianna Jessen

Do I agree with Gianna? Without a doubt and I am certainly moved by her testimony. I think hers is one of the most important stories we can ever hear. When we've cheapened life to the point where government actually has to debate a "Born alive act," her story and her desire to "infuse humanity" into the debate are much needed. As Michelle Obama would say "our souls are broken in this nation." Except I think Gianna understands that better than Michelle's husband.

A 7 months abortion would not happen in this day and age unless there was a medical danger to the mother involved. NO state allows third trimester abortions for ANY other reason.

I can't even respond to this thread anymore. Having met so many people that chose abortions for reasons that were VERY valid to them (abuse, incest, medical conditions), I can not in good conscience support anyone who thinks that the life of the fetus is more important than the life of the mother.

Having ALSO been through the pain that adoption holds (yeah---they don't like to advertise the fact that birthmothers go through depression, have commitment issues later in life, commit suicide, have an increased risk of infertility, or any of the other problems associated with relinquishment. They'd rather focus on how "happy" you've made an infertile couple, and how "good" you are to not have chosen abortion. Then they tell you to get on with your life and stop mourning a child that is perfectly happy where it is!), I can't in good conscience support advising women to choose that instead. Adoption HURTS. It still hurts, every day, 17 years later. It is EXACTLY the same as losing a child to death--your child "dies" so that another couple's child can be "born". I wouldn't wish adoption on my worst enemy, especially with the laws and social norms that focus on the adoptive family and not on the birthfamily and their issues.

Honestly--the best way to combat abortions is to encourage safer sex and birth control. And frankly--that's the majority of what Planned Parenthood does.

However--too many people scream about the "rights" of a clump of cells, and about how "evil" abortion is. I also love the attitude of "The Only Moral Abortion is MY Abortion" that's displayed by right-to-lifers that have HAD abortions.

This website is pretty good information on that. "The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion" - When the Anti-Choice Choose

Frankly, I don't think that anyone that has not been faced with the choice THEMSELVES can really be a judge of how people should react to their unplanned pregnancies.

Abortion is LEGAL. I'm GLAD it's legal---if you really think someone dies in that process, then it's STILL better than 2 people dying in a back alley with a butcher knife, or girls who try to use coat hangers on themselves. It's STILL better than being told you will die if you try to carry a child to term and have no recourse BUT to carry the child to term and die delivering it.

If you want abortion to be ILLEGAL, then by all means, work through channels to make it so. But please--stop with the moral propaganda for issues (like third trimester abortions) that have already been made illegal.

It doesn't matter if third trimester abortions are illegal or not, Gianna's story is relevant.

People can justify abortions for all manner of reasons that are valid to THEM, and I didn't know the pro-life movement viewed the life of the fetus as more important than the life of the mother. It's amazing how every time the subject comes up abortion supporters project imaginary views on us and get all dramatic about back alleys and coat hangers. You guys seem to think we're unfeeling, unsympathetic, intolerant, ignorant neanderthals.

I have no doubt that adoption is often traumatic for the birth mother but I cannot for the life of me see how anyone would rather their child be dead than have a chance to live happily with someone else, or "can't in good conscience support advising women to choose" life for their child. We are not talking about "a clump of cells," we're talking about people, and fighting for the rights of the most helpless and innocent is not "propaganda."

Ah I have heard Pro Life people say that with an abortion you could have just killed the next Einstein. Talk about dramatic and Imaginary.

Dramatic, yet entirely possible. Imaginary was in reference to views not expressed but attributed to us anyway.

If I concede that abuse, incest, medical conditions i.e. health of mother may be legitimate reasons for abortions in a civil society would you in turn concede that the overwhelming vast majority of abortions performed are contraceptive ;therefore being a poor excuse for murdering an infant ?

I am entering this debate late because I have taken a AMHD break. But I am back and I feel compelled to answer.

I agree with Synn in so many ways on this issue. If planned parenthood wants to give g.c. then great. That might allow someone who can't afford medical care, support with family planning or conseling a chance to get what they need. Just because the give out the g.c. does not mean that everyone walking in the door is going to have an abortion.

That being said, I thank god every day that abortions are legal. As a person who knows someone who got pregnant due to a violent act I support abortions. I firmly believe that if my friend had to carry that baby to term then either keep it or give it up for adoption it would kill her. Why... to look at a child conceived from a night that almost killed you every day would be like seeing that night on a daily basis. On the other hand, knowing her as I do, I know that having a child and then giving it away would also kill her. Also, could you imagine when that child grew up and asked about their daddy... what do you say to that child then? Well I did not know your daddy he came up behind me... raped me and stabbed me?

Here we go with the drama again, as if EVERY unplanned pregnancy had such tragic circumstances behind it. I second tom's challenge.

So Speech then you agree that it is possible that an abortion took out the next Hitler? Seems to me that is a good thing.

No NOT every unplanned prenancy does, but for those that do having the CHOICE to do something about it can be comforting

Sure it's possible, but I still don't see how most abortions can ever be a good thing. It's way beyond anything I can possibly comprehend that so many people would be so adamant about defending the right to kill unborn children for virtually any reason.

I am not defending the right to kill anyone. I am defending the right for a woman (or a couple) to make their own choice. I do not want to control others decisions and I certainly don't want my decisions controlled by somebody that knows nothing about me, my life, or what brought me to make such a hard decision.

As Tom Stated I don't think abortion should be used as birth control but some people do use it for that and it is sad.

I have no kids and my fiancée and I don't want kids, but if she got pregnant I wouldn't say lets go get an abortion, I would say lets go to the Dr to see how far along you are and start preparing for a baby.

If she said she wanted an abortion I would fight her on that. Not because I think life is precious trust me I meet people everyday that should have been take out before they were born. I just think you should live up to your responsibilities. But I am not going to sit here and tell someone else how to live their life's. If they want to have an abortion go ahead it does not affect me at all.

That's just it Tuscany, it's not just a "choice," it's a child - as Gianna so vividly demonstrates. Seriously, what's the difference in giving someone the right to choose to kill a child for virtually any reason and giving them the right to choose to kill anyone else for virtually any reason? 9 months? Being in or out of the womb? I don't get it, it's not just a blob of tissue, a tumor to be removed for convenience.

Over 1 million abortion murders per year in the US... over 48 million since Roe . How many of them are truly decisions made about the health of the mother ;or rape etc. Why not call it what it really is... a barbarous form of contraception ?

Ironic that Herod would have been all in favor of aborting and killing all male infants.
And what timing of PP to promote their "services" during the Christmas season :eek:




As to facts :




Abortion is the ultimate in racism!!







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I agree with Spitve here. I don't think it should be used a birth control and I don't think I could ever have one... definately not as a form of because. But like Spitve it is not my place to tell someone how to live their life.