Hello conservative right wingers:

Why do you deny the happiness, that you yourself enjoy, from your fellow citizens? Isn't doing that UN Christianlike???? I think it IS!!!

You are bad and wrong for doing that. Tell my why you're not.

excon

classyT

EX,

ever seen the show "Snapped"....well there would be my mug shot and all that would be left of you is a white chalk outline...lol lol. i crack me up.

magprob

Because they hate GOD and anything he stands for. Gen. 3:15
They are trying to tear down Christiandom. That's all it is. Watch, this will really piss the canaanites off! The real truth always does.

macksmom

So because myself along with others can't produce children naturally because they are infertile....we are defective......we are "useless".

You're stepping on all the wrong toes for all the wrong reasons.

Yet another post to back up my comment to your first one. You continue to show how immature, and ignorant you are on the subject at hand....while pulling out statements you try to pass as factual information when in fact they have zero credibility. You can't seem to back up anything you have to say with logical arguements. Instead you call people useless, defective, and personally insult people.

Maybe you wouldn't feel excon is "nasty" if you actually had anything remotely intelligent to say.

excon

Hello mag:

I dunno if I'm one of those canaanites you speak of. I don't even know what they are. I surely don't know what Christiandom is. Course, I recognize that I'm dealing with an anti semite religious fanatic here, so I'll take that into consideration...

However, I celebrate Christianity. I'm thrilled that I live in a country that has, as one of its FIRST tenets, the freedom of religion. Of course, MY understanding of what that means, is obviously different than YOUR understanding of what it means.

To me, and to anybody who can actually read, it says that you are free to practice YOUR religion. It doesn't say that I have to practice it along with you. As a matter of fact, it says that I DON'T! You think it does.

I dunno WHY you would think so. I guess it's possible that you believe that the United States of America is a Christian nation, so it should follow the Bible instead of the Constitution.... Hmmm. I know of some real bad guys who think their Bible should be forced upon you too. But, I digress....

I dunno where it says any of that in our founding documents.... But, you don't care much for what the actual law IS.... You just want it to be your way, and you snivel when it isn't. Poor pitiful man.

excon

PS> (edited) In case anybody is confused, NOW, I'm being nasty!

Skell

You cant hate something you don't believe exists. That doesn't make sense. But then again its not unusual for me to not make sense of Christianity.

Synn brings up a great point about divorce. No one seems to rant and rave about divorced couples remarrying in church. But then again divorced people are like you, whereas gay people are different arent they??

margog85

michaelb- that quote made me a little teary, I must admit- thank you for that.

As I think many know, I am of course a proponent of gay marriage- I believe that my partner and I deserve the same legal protections as any other loving couple. We are not "defective" because we do not spawn more children in an already overpopulated world- we plan on adopting, and giving a home to a child who needs one- if that makes us "useless", then I don't quite understand what you would deem useful. Our world is much more complex than it was years ago- there are more ways to be an asset to your society than reproducing.

While the idea of separating "civil marriage" and "religious marriage" seems to be ideal, I highly doubt it will ever happen. If you're married by the state and call it a "civil union" and then married by a religion and call it "marriage"... well, there are a number of problems with that.

First, it seems from conversations I've had with friends and coworkers that many straight couples who are married by a justice of the peace through a civil ceremony would be at least a bit annoyed to be told that they were no longer "married"- true, it's just a word, but it's a word that has developed meaning to people in our society, both religious and non-religious. It has a connotation of being joined together in a special way to someone you love deeply- and straight people would likely fight to keep that word in the same way that we are fighting to be included in it. Marriage didn't always have this connotation- think back to arranged marriages, for example... love had nothing to do with it. Neither did reproduction for any noble or holy reason- it was about power, wealth, the joining of families for political reasons... but marriage changed and evolved over time as society changed and evolved- this is just the next logical step.

Now, aside from straight people not wanting to go from "married" to "civily unioned"... there would still be nothing to prevent gay people from getting "married". As someone in this thread previously mentioned, there are religions which have no qualms over recognizing a gay couple as married- so it would happen anyway.

It's the natural progression of things. Civil marriage is the business of the state, which has the obligation to equally protect it's citizens. Religious marriage is at the discretion of the religion. So even if we go the route of separating EVERYONE married by the state from those married by a religious official and call them different things at that level... gay people will still be able to get "married" in their own churches should they choose to do so.

I included a comparison to condemnations of interracial marriages on another post in the Issues section on Prop 8--- if you're interested, feel free to go check it out. Don't have the time to get into it here.

NeedKarma

You would kill him? Why?

speechlesstx

Don't worry Skell, even us Christians can't make sense of Christianity sometimes.

You mean this?

There have been provisions for divorce from Deuteronomy on, but it was God's design for marriage to be forever. But I don't believe the bible says man can't undo the union, it says don't let man separate what God has joined together ... that wasn't the plan. But to think we should protest remarrying in the church is to ask us to set aside our views on grace and forgiveness. We may find divorce a tragedy but it doesn't mean people don't deserve another chance at happiness ... which of course leads to the question why don't we want gays to have that same happiness and starts this circle all over again.

classyT

Michaleb,

I guess then you would defend one of those creepy men in a mormon cult that have 15 wives and some of them pretty darn young. So they should be free to legally marry as many woman as they like? They have their rights too???

classyT

NK,

i was joking on account of him being a "flaming atheist" and me being a Christian.ok ok..it was a BAD joke...i just liked the white chalk out line thing..lol anyway don't think i offended him. and before you reprimand me with the THOU SHALT NOT KILL....remember...Christians can make a funny too.