Gay Marriage

excon · Nov 11, 2008, 06:42 AM

Hello conservative right wingers:

Why do you deny the happiness, that you yourself enjoy, from your fellow citizens? Isn't doing that UN Christianlike???? I think it IS!!!

You are bad and wrong for doing that. Tell my why you're not.

excon

Altenweg · Feb 28, 2009, 09:38 PM

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You can't compare homosexuality. You can't "SEE" it when you pass someone on the street. They have to let you know. A woman can't be in the closet about the gender and neither can a black or Asian or Hispanic person.

I'm german, I bet you wouldn't be able to tell looking at me. I'm also heterosexual, but can you tell? I doubt it.

Your arguement makes no sense.

cozyk · Feb 28, 2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dare81

g? Just because some countries allow marriage at 16 doesn't take away from the disasters that it could bring. Would you like to be the child of a 16 year old couple?

Please do point out the studies that show that it is not harmful.

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Almost all countries marriage at 16 is legal. you can check the Wikipedia article that i have provided above

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When are you going to provide the link to the studies that say sex at 16 is fine?

starbuck8 · Feb 28, 2009, 09:53 PM

Quote:: You can't compare homosexuality. You can't "SEE" it when you pass someone on the street. They have to let you know. A woman can't be in the closet about the gender and neither can a black or Asian or Hispanic person.

This is not an entirely true statement all all, although this discussion is not about race, or ethnicity. You would be shocked at how well a male or female can hide their gender. You would also be very surprised at the number of Black, Asian, or Hispanic people that you would never have a clue they were of that race.

With that said, we don't need to pull out the race card here. This discussion is about Gay Marriage. This has really gone off topic.

Dare81 · Feb 28, 2009, 10:48 PM

Even thought i cant find an online link to this book,, the name of the book is
Mr Waites, , The Age of Consent: Young People, Sexuality and Citizenship

He is Professor of sociology in Glasgow university Mattew Waites has added his voice to those calling for reduction in the age of consent from 16 to 14 in Britain.Other studies have shown that fixing the age of consent at 16 criminalises above 50% of young people in UK(INTERNATIONAL CHILD AND YOUTH CARE) NETWORK)

I have a couple of other studies but will have to find a link for those too.

Dare81 · Feb 28, 2009, 10:55 PM

The Haworth Press Online Catalog: Article Abstract

Dare81 · Mar 1, 2009, 12:29 AM

A 16 year old is still a child, according to all medical/scientific research, and when they reach the age of maturity and adulthood. This has little to do with morals.

Wrong again.

The fact is that even until the 18th century, reaching puberty meant becoming an “adult”, in terms of maturity, behavior and responsibility, as stated in the Journal of Social History, Online Etymology Dictionary, Journal of Marriage and the Family, and numerous academic references.

· Children now in developing countries now and then faced the daily struggle for physical and economic survival,[] and while this type of “environmental stress” actually causes puberty at a younger age, it is proven to have also speeded psychological maturity. This maturity helped in coping with the responsibilities of early marriage and childbearing.

·It was only in the industrial mid-18th century that psychological maturity started to delay, due to side effects that are proven to delay maturity such as: increasing comforts of life, diminished parental guidance and that “children remained children longer to complete their education

2“Life history theory” states that in a less stable environment, “natural selection will favor individuals that reproduce earlier...within a population

But, this thread is about "Gay Marriage," and not the issue of someone elses "moral standards."[/quote]

Yes i know this thread is about gay marriage but i will say what i said before

I am not arguing for or against gay marriages. I saw ALTANWEG's statement which said that sex before 16 is harmful, which i think is wrong.Hence had to say something

Dare81 · Mar 1, 2009, 12:34 AM

We aren't talking about Pakistan, we're talking about the US and making Gay marriage legal there. I live in Canada, we already allow Gay marriage. Are you saying that Canadians have no morals, or maybe we're just more open minded than most.

WOW.When did i say anything about no morals. All i said is in society the morals of the majority is the one that counts, be it wrong or right.

You are the one that brought the moral issue into this game. As Excon stated, the constitution says nothing about morals. Too many people with differing ideas, we shouldn't consider morals when deciding on legalities.

Bottom line, who does it hurt to allow Gay marriage? Does it effect you? I doubt it. No one here has said that churches have to allow Gay marriages, nor do they (that are supposed love all man kind and accept all man kind) have to accept gays into their church. That is their right, no one is going to take that away from them.

But, why should Gays not have the same rights as the rest of us? Just because they love someone of the same sex? Do you really think they would choose that course? Why would anyone choose something that would ostersize them from society? It's not a choice it's who they are, therefore they should be allowed the same rights as any other human being on this planet.

Like it or lump it, you brought morality into this, and that shouldn't even be considered.[/quote]

I was just talking about sex at 16, WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???.In btw gays should have the right to marry,

starbuck8 · Mar 1, 2009, 12:46 AM

Dare, what are YOU talking about? She never said gay people shouldn't have the right to marry!

I read your "proof", and decided to not even comment on that cavemans theory, about the age of consent.

You are obviously being very confrontational, and I for one won't deal with you.

ChihuahuaMomma · Mar 1, 2009, 12:48 AM

Who are you or I to say what other people should do with their lives? As long as they are two consenting adults, what is the issue with any two PEOPLE marrying?

Dare81 · Mar 1, 2009, 12:51 AM

Dare, what are YOU talking about? She never said gay people shouldn't have the right to marry!

I know she didn't.All i am saying is i am talking about sex at 16 not gay marriages.

I read your "proof", and decided to not even comment on that cavemans theory, about the age of consent.

You don't have to comment. It made sense to me.Maybe it does not to you. We each have a right to our opinion

You are obviously being very confrontational, and I for one won't deal with you.[/quote]

I am sorry if i am coming across as confrontational, i am just a lil frustrated. I apologize to anyone if i have hurt their feeling



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