Gay Marriage

excon · Nov 11, 2008, 05:42 AM

Hello conservative right wingers:

Why do you deny the happiness, that you yourself enjoy, from your fellow citizens? Isn't doing that UN Christianlike???? I think it IS!!!

You are bad and wrong for doing that. Tell my why you're not.

excon

xoxaprilwine · Dec 1, 2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Of course not, they'll just disrupt your services and yell things like "Jesus was a homo," vandalize your church, publish blacklists, bully you, and otherwise act like a$$es and expect everyone to bow to their demands.

I don't agree...take a look at both arguments in detail and you might change your mind on that. I understand that marriage is a holy sacrament between man and woman...I couldn't agree more but the times are changing and the Church can't fight this anymore...it will pass. If the gays where asking to get married in the Church I would have a problem with it but their not, they simply want the same benefits as a married couple...in the eyes of the Government not the eyes of the Lord. Do we really have a right to stop them? To judge them? If they don't interfere with our religion or culture why cant we give them the same respect?

excon · Dec 2, 2008, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Of course not, they'll just disrupt your services and yell things like.....

Hello Steve:

"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

A GREAT conservative said that.

excon

speechlesstx · Dec 2, 2008, 04:23 AM

What's funny here is I linked to actual examples of the insane rage, intolerance, violence and criminal activity of gay activists and you're all defending them. Their behavior certainly makes me want to sit down and talk things out.

excon · Dec 2, 2008, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Their behavior certainly makes me want to sit down and talk things out.

Hello again, Steve:

Ain't interested in talk. We KNOW what you guys think. Interested in ACTION!!!!

excon

tomder55 · Dec 2, 2008, 04:36 AM

Back on page 10 I said the positions were intractable. I will also add that now positions are hardening making compromise virtually impossible. Thus any action by proponents of either side suddenly becomes acceptable?

Frequently abortion clinic bombers are condemned and rightly so ;not so easily excused as extremism in defense of a cause.

excon · Dec 2, 2008, 04:46 AM

Hello tom:

I don't think bombing is what Goldwater had in mind. You know there IS a difference between disobedience and committing a criminal act.

Here's the problem. When considering someones civil rights, there is NO acceptable compromise. Would you compromise YOURS??? I don't think you would.

excon

speechlesstx · Dec 2, 2008, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Ain't interested in talk. We KNOW what you guys think. Interested in ACTION!!!!

excon

And we offered compromise, that WAS action. You're asking us to concede everything instead of finding a solution that could be agreeable to all.

excon · Dec 2, 2008, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

And we offered compromise, that WAS action. You're asking us to concede everything instead of finding a solution that could be agreeable to all.

Hello again, Steve:

The solution that is ALREADY agreeable to us all can be found in the Declaration of Independence. I don't think you understand. We're talking about RIGHTS here. We're not negotiating a contract.

What compromise is there from the word ALL???? Some??? Almost??? Maybe? Close, but not quite???

There is NO compromise in our founding documents. Jefferson didn't say SOME. He said ALL men are created equal and they are ALL endowed with certain unalienable rights.... Those are the rights that YOU have, yet you want to compromise on others having the same rights. It ain't gonna happen.

No, let me rephrase what I said above. You DON'T understand if you think compromise is a solution.

Maybe you don't understand the founding documents. I actually think you DO, but I think you're so blinded by your religion, that you just can't see the words that Jefferson wrote...

I dunno, Steve. But, I'm gonna keep on trying with you.

excon

speechlesstx · Dec 2, 2008, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by excon

There is NO compromise in our founding documents. Jefferson didn't say SOME. He said ALL men are created equal and they are ALL endowed with certain unalienable rights....

And we've addressed that, the founders appealed “to the Supreme Judge of the world” and relied on “the protection of Divine Providence” to ensure these rights “endowed by their Creator” such as life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If we want to base our arguments on the Declaration of Independence then we have other issues to discuss, but I’m always told the Declaration is irrelevant in those discussions.

The compromise I’m referring to allows for equal benefits for a relationship that can never be equal to heterosexual marriage. Why should we call something the equivalent of something it can never be equal to, and if the benefits and privileges are the same why isn’t that enough? That’s all they wanted before, and what will be the next configuration of “marriage” we allow?

tomder55 · Dec 2, 2008, 06:12 AM

If the founding documents began and ended with the Declaration then I might agree with you . But the operating manual of our government ;the Constitution is itself a tribute to compromise. It would not have been adopted without them.

Marriage as defined is a "right" no one is denied. Changing the definition is the issue .



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