Hello conservative right wingers:

Why do you deny the happiness, that you yourself enjoy, from your fellow citizens? Isn't doing that UN Christianlike???? I think it IS!!!

You are bad and wrong for doing that. Tell my why you're not.

excon

jillianleab

Ok, YOU call your marriage a "civil union" and let the gays call theirs "marriages". That's compromise too.

speechlesstx

How is it compromise to completely abandon your principles?

jillianleab

How is it a compromise to forbid someone from the same right you are afforded, even if in name only?

Synnen

EXACTLY!!!

You are asking those of us who believe that ALL MEN are created equal to give up THAT principle for YOUR principle.

The difference is that OUR principle is based on the laws of this country. YOUR principle is based on a SPECIFIC religion.

Religion can not dictate law in this country. That's the thing right there! You're asking us, like slave owners asked the abolitionists, to believe that SOME men are not created "equal".

Marriage has been a state institution for centuries. Maybe it's religious too, but its primary purpose is to LEGALIZE a relationship. I remember hearing about times in history where the church was allowed to make all the laws. They came out with witch burnings, the Spanish Inquisition, and torturing heretics. There were serious civil wars over whether the King of England was the ruler of the church and could make church law, or whether it was the Pope. Sounds to me like religion HAD its chance to rule, and the founders of our country decided they were going to keep religion AWAY from law making.

If you're saying that gays aren't part of ALL MEN, well....sounds to me like you're a bigot, not morally right.

speechlesstx

Where have the laws and constitution of this land historically granted equal rights to relationships?

It had to happen, the discussion has digressed into name calling. That's another reason we'll never agree, you guys can't seem to restrain yourselves from accusations or suggestions of bigotry, comparisons to slavery, torture, witch burnings and implying we seek a theocracy. That's old, it's ridiculous, it's not constructive - it's bullsh** plain and simple.

tomder55

I figured given enough time the conversation would degenerate. This is not a new conversation ;I've had it before and see where it leads. Given the choice I will drift towards a hard line position since everyone else seems to be . For now my powder is dry .

excon

Hello again, Steve:

You're trying your best to spin it..... But, I ain't gonna let ya. It's not difficult. I KNOW you get it. I dunno WHY your religious half blinds you....

"Relationships" don't have rights. If you look, you won't find relationships LISTED. However, I must remind you again, the Constitution DOESN'T list rights.

INDIVIDUALS have rights. If YOU have a right that the state bestowed upon YOU because you are married, I, and EVERYBODY else, has that SAME right.

It says so, very plainly in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, where it says, ".... nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Again, I ask you to explain why this DOESN'T pertain to the discussion at hand?

excon

excon

Hello again, Steve:

I think we can wrap this up.... I'm gonna answer for you...

You're gonna say that a homosexual DOES have the same right you do, to marry a person of the opposite sex....

And, of course, you'll have missed the whole thing...

excon

Synnen

um....hello? Did you READ what I wrote?

I wrote that a country RULING by religion DOES, historically speaking, degenerate to torture, witch burnings, etc.

If you are trying to impose your religious beliefs on LAW, then you ARE seeking a form of theocracy. If your reason for not allowing someone EQUAL rights under law because of their sexual orientation, then you ARE prejudiced.

Historically, the people opposed to giving equal rights to a group of people have justified it by using God and the Bible. Blacks could be slaves because it was their punishment because Ham looked at Noah naked and drunk and laughed at him. Witches could be burned because women shouldn't have that much power--and because the Bible SAID so.

I use these examples as comparisons because they have HAPPENED. They are situations where someone HAS used religion/God to justify doing something that isn't really a very nice thing to do.

What I would like to know is this: How would it hurt YOU to allow to people who love each other to get married?

inthebox

But who actually voted for the measure:

70% of blacks voted for the measure - probably 90% of whom voted for Obama-
so where is the indignation by these gay protesters or by EX?

I think the radical gay groups
1] know Mormons, unlike Catholics, are not used to being targeted by gay radicals
2] it is politically correct to target Mormons but not blacks and latinos.