Hello conservative right wingers:

Why do you deny the happiness, that you yourself enjoy, from your fellow citizens? Isn't doing that UN Christianlike???? I think it IS!!!

You are bad and wrong for doing that. Tell my why you're not.

excon

speechlesstx

For starters, it's a marriage between a man and a woman.

Capuchin

Isn't the denial of God a sin, just like homosexuality is a sin?

Synnen

okay, wait a minute.

In MY interpretation of the Bible, multiple partners/polygamy (Just look at how much trouble would have been saved if Sarah hadn't given her handmaiden to Abraham, or if Jacob hadn't married sisters!) and incest (it's always amazing to me that Sodom and Gamorrah are brought up AGAINST homosexuality, but that Lot's daughters weren't REALLY punished for their incest [and technically, really, fornication--they weren't married to their father]) seem to be okay.

Really, what it comes down to for a whole bunch of people is that the Bible was written by a bunch of men, and put together in the order it is in, with the specific books that are in it, for political reasons. Their are gospels that have been found that tell the story of Jesus completely differently, and other books of the Bible (especially the New Testament) that have been left out completely because they don't jive with the rest of the Bible.

The OTHER side of it, for me, anyway, is that to me your god isn't a valid rule maker. I don't believe in Him, therefore I don't have to live by His rules---especially when the government and Constitution make the rules for this country, not any ONE religion.

It doesn't really matter how people feel on this, though. At some point, it's going to be ruled un-Constitutional to have one set of rules for one sort of people (civil unions ONLY) and a different (and maybe considered better?) set of rules for other sorts of people (marriage). It will come down to what I've already said in order to pacify everyone: EVERY couple has the right to have a civil union, and that will be the ONLY form of "marriage" the government can recognize for tax breaks, legal issues, etc. And EVERY church will have the right to decide who they can religiously marry, though a religious "marriage" will be recognized by only the church without the accompanying civil union to make it "civilly" legal.

NeedKarma

Because mormons are the biggest funders of the campaign, source

speechlesstx

Sure, but I have yet to mention the word sin, I’ve only spoken of marriage the way God intended. And I believe God’s plan is what God intended for everyone, believer or not and regardless of the subject.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

I think our founders had it right when they determined what God intended, ".... We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..... "

That's just what I believe. If you're interested in STRICT interpretations, I dunno how you, as a patriotic AMERICAN, could believe it says anything other than what it does.

excon

speechlesstx

I never said anything about strict interpretations did I? Do you honestly think the founders would have ever considered gay marriage to be a right?

excon

Hello again, Steve:

Let's see if we can elevate this argument to its core issues. You, like any good right winger, keep on throwing up red herrings.

As you and I have discussed many times on these pages, the Constitution doesn't list rights. I've told you why dozens of times. You have the right to own a fork too, but you won't find that right, LISTED either. So, you have to look at the words, and what they actually mean...

What I know about the founders is they spoke of the lofty principals the country was founded upon. We have not yet reached them. We may never. In truth, the founders DIDN'T mean ALL men when they used those words.... But, when we realized that women were, indeed, part and parcel of the words "all men", we fixed that mistake. We did the same thing when we realized that black people were really part of all. So we fixed that too.

I dunno who the founders meant when they said ALL men. I know what it MEANS. It means that EVERY one of us has the same rights EVERY other one of us has. It matters not, that you're gay, black or some other member of the subculture that I'm sure you'll find....

THAT'S the America I live in. It's the America that makes me proud. It's the America I went to war to fight for. It's the America that I'll die for again, if need be.

But, I'm not proud of an America that denies rights to certain segments of society based upon religious beliefs. I didn't fight for a country that separates its people into those worthy of rights, and those who're not. I'm not proud of people who want to LIST rights for the specific purpose of denying them to others.

The Constitution says ALL men. I happen to believe it.

That's ALL I have to say on the subject..... Until next time.

excon

jillianleab

Not gay marriage, just marriage. Marrige is a right. For everyone. Well, it should be.

speechlesstx

And we have repeatedly offered to compromise. Isn't that also part of what makes America great?