Gay Marriage

excon · Nov 11, 2008, 06:42 AM

Hello conservative right wingers:

Why do you deny the happiness, that you yourself enjoy, from your fellow citizens? Isn't doing that UN Christianlike???? I think it IS!!!

You are bad and wrong for doing that. Tell my why you're not.

excon

tomder55 · Nov 13, 2008, 10:45 AM

Ex what I have offered in my answers addresses your civil concerns.

margog85 · Nov 13, 2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tomder55

like I said ;intractable positions. You see it as a right . But really it is not from the religious viewpoint.
Sacraments are considered gifts.No one is entitled to them.

Just out of curiosity then...

...why don't Christians get upset at atheists married by the justice of the peace calling what they have "marriage"? They clearly didn't enter into their marriage as part of any religious sacrament, nor do they view it as such.

And if some Christian churches, which see marriage as a sacrament, believe that gays can receive this gift as well, why should one church dictate what another church can do? And really, if sacraments are a gift from God, and certain churches or religions believe that their God offers this gift of marriage to everyone... how can a church dictate what another church believes their God can do?

excon · Nov 13, 2008, 01:16 PM

Hello margog:

You just make entirely too much sense.

excon

margog85 · Nov 13, 2008, 01:57 PM

I think so too... lol

Thanks.

speechlesstx · Nov 13, 2008, 03:51 PM

Oh come on, it was a good question but it's not that difficult to understand why a Christian doesn't get upset that atheists get married by JP's. Do we really have to spell it out?

margog85 · Nov 13, 2008, 04:35 PM

Yes, please.

inthebox · Nov 13, 2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again:

I dunno why this part continually gets glossed over, because it IS central to the argument. As long as the government bestows "rights" on the married, then getting married IS a right. It ISN'T a privilege. It isn't a sacrament. It's a RIGHT!

I don't care what you want to call it in your church. I don't care ANYTHING about your church. My argument has NOTHING to DO with religion. It has to do with the state granting "rights" to some of the people, but not to others.

THAT is ALL this is about.

excon

Many Obama supporters also backed Prop. 8

What "right" is deprived that can't be had by civil union?

Why your OP against right wingers and not Obama supporters, or blacks that favored a ban on gay marriage by 70%?

Gay-Marriage Ban Protesters Target Mormon Church : NPR

Why do they protest Mormons and not blacks or latinos?

Galveston1 · Nov 13, 2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Synnen

I'd like to know where in the Bible God gave the definition of marriage, actually.

How about here?
Matt 19:4-5
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
(KJV)

Galveston1 · Nov 13, 2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Synnen

Are you saying that I am defective because I am infertile? Seriously?

I'm not a lesbian, but I AM infertile----and that attitude is EXACTLY why infertile couples don't usually advertise WHY they don't have kids.

And by that token---are those couples that CHOOSE not to have children useless because they don't reproduce? Are they EVIL because they choose not to add to the growing population problem in the world?

Honestly, i think there are more Christian ideas that are "defective" than non-christian ideas. And again---anyone arguing that God says that marriage is a man and woman becoming one--and thank you for the quote--should NEVER get divorced, nor believe in divorce, because you're cleaving apart what GOD made to be put together.

If you're protesting gay marriages, you should ALSO be protesting divorced people being able to remarry in the church, because by the church's definition, they CAN'T divorce---GOD made them one, and only GOD can part them.

Actually, God permits divorce when either party breaks the marriage contract by infidelity.

Galveston1 · Nov 13, 2008, 05:23 PM

In reading all these posts (or most, anyway) something comes to mind.

The same source, even the same passages, that we Christians believe condemns same sex unions also condemn adultry, fornication, incest, and bestiality.

So why is there so much push to change the very concept of marriage? Why not legalize and promote EVERY form of deviant sexual behavior?

Oh, well, I expect that will begin sometime next month.



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