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    Dec 8, 2009, 05:28 PM
    Fiscal and culture costs of a godless world view
    We are seeing an increase in the number of people who deny that there is a god or that he has any ongoing interest in what happens on planet Earth.

    Once you reach that conclusion, then every glitch in the environment becomes a reason to panic. Basically, the "sky is falling" syndrome. There is no confidence that the various cycles of warming, cooling, volcanic activity, etc. will swing back from their highs and lows to arrive at "normal" as has been the case for as long as human history knows.

    Since it is now up to humans to control the forces of nature, we fall prey to every snake oil salesman who comes along. We become willing to surrender financial viability for the empty promise of "saving" the world. Worse still, we become willing to surrender liberties.

    Even though after all is done, the cllimatic and geological systems will continue to function as they have always done.

    Being a Christian, I know the sky is NOT falling.

    The Sun is under the control of the Creator and will continue to warm Earth, sometimes more, sometimes less. And there is not ONE thing any of us can do about it.

    We can only impoverish ourselves in a futile effort. The world seems to be overpopulated with fools.
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    Dec 8, 2009, 06:04 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by galveston View Post

    We can only impoverish ourselves in a futile effort. The world seems to be overpopulated with fools.
    Yes I agree with you and many of them are meeting in Copenhagen in the next two weeks. It is interesting that the Bible, the message from God devotes some chapters to the thinking of fools

    Let us contemplate some of them;
    A companion of fools suffers harm
    The folly of fools is deception
    The folly of fools yields folly
    The mouth of a fool gushes folly
    Folly delights a man who lacks judgement
    Folly brings punishment to fools
    '
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    Dec 8, 2009, 06:33 PM
    There is no god and the sky is indeed not falling. Feel free to vent your car's exhaust into your house, I'm sure you're "creator" will take care to make all things right.
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    Dec 8, 2009, 10:36 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    There is no god and the sky is indeed not falling. Feel free to vent your car's exhaust into your house, I'm sure you're "creator" will take care to make all things right.
    My creator will not save me from my own stupidity, and should I take your advice I'm sure he will tell me that personally. You statement is correct in only one aspect, the sky is not falling, however the air we breathe is less pure very day. Now I see little evidence of this myself on a day by day basis, but I have been to China and it is certainly true there as it is in all major cities. I think it is foolish to stay in such places.
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    Dec 9, 2009, 03:08 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    My creator will not save me from my own stupidity,
    Yet people meet to try to save themselves from their owbn stupidity and you call them fools. Your logic seems faulty. Also please understand that there are billions of people in this world who live their daily lives without any religion whatsoever and they are doing just fine. Your way isn't the only way. :)
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    Dec 9, 2009, 06:54 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by galveston View Post
    We become willing to surrender financial viability for the empty promise of "saving" the world. Worse still, we become willing to surrender liberties.
    Hello gal:

    Surrender liberties?? SURRENDER LIBERTIES?? Really?? That's what we're GOING to do??

    We have NO liberties LEFT after the dufus TOOK them. Do you want me to list them for you?? No? It's OK, I'll do it for ME.

    Bush took away our right to Habeas Corpus. It's the FOUNDATION of our legal system... It's what the FIFTH Amendment to the Constitution is about. Bush took away your right to be FREE from the government reading your private email or listening to your phone calls. That's what the FOURTH Amendment is all about.. Certainly, he took away your right to be free from cruel and unusual punishment. That's what the SIXTH Amendment is all about... The dufus also took your tax money and spent in on RELIGIONS groups, and that shattered the FIRST Amendment to the Constitution...

    No, I'm NOT done... But that should keep you busy for a while...

    excon
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    Dec 9, 2009, 08:24 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Yet people meet to try to save themselves from their owbn stupidity and you call them fools. Your logic seems faulty.
    You don't see the irony in these particular people, bringing with them a carbon footprint the size of a small country, meeting to save the world?

    You don't think “Please, help save the world” sounds a wee bit like a religious movement?



    Also please understand that there are billions of people in this world who live their daily lives without any religion whatsoever and they are doing just fine. Your way isn't the only way. :)
    Roughly 1.1 billion profess to be "nonreligious." 84 percent of the world adheres to a religion, now that's billions.
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    Dec 9, 2009, 08:26 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Roughly 1.1 billion profess to be "nonreligious." 84 percent of the world adheres to a religion, now that's billions.
    It's not about being part of a majority, it's about what's right for you. Plus within that 84% most would tell you that those not part of their religion are doing it wrong.
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    Dec 9, 2009, 08:38 AM

    Hello again:

    Those numbers notwithstanding, religion is on its way out, thank god. Europeans are shedding it right and left. I wonder if it has anything to do with having an educated populace?

    It does seem that the more one studies, the less one believes in fantasy.

    excon
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    Dec 9, 2009, 09:08 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    It's not about being part of a majority, it's about what's right for you.
    Irrelevant to the point, which was there aren't "billions" of nonreligious people in the world.

    Plus within that 84% most would tell you that those not part of their religion are doing it wrong.
    And within that 1.1 billion nonreligious people, most would tell everyone else they're doing it wrong. So what's your point?
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    Dec 9, 2009, 09:13 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Those numbers notwithstanding, religion is on its way out, thank god.
    Nice pun. What you miss is that they're just replacing it with another religion of their own creation.

    Europeans are shedding it right and left. I wonder if it has anything to do with having an educated populace?
    Educated on what?

    It does seem that the more one studies, the less one believes in fantasy.
    Study what?
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    Dec 9, 2009, 09:16 AM

    Why is this thread in current events and not the Christianity forum?

    Okay, I'll play along.

    Once you reach that conclusion, then every glitch in the environment becomes a reason to panic. Basically, the "sky is falling" syndrome. There is no confidence that the various cycles of warming, cooling, volcanic activity, etc. will swing back from their highs and lows to arrive at "normal" as has been the case for as long as human history knows.
    You're saying that all non-believers feel this way? Well, you're wrong. I know the sky isn't falling, Foxy Loxy told me so right after he ate Chicken Little.

    Being a Christian, I know the sky is NOT falling.
    I'm a Deist and I know this as well. I guess you Christians aren't the only ones in the know.

    The Sun is under the control of the Creator and will continue to warm Earth, sometimes more, sometimes less. And there is not ONE thing any of us can do about it.
    That's your belief, it's not fact. You're right that there's nothing we can do about it, but I don't believe that your God is the one controlling everything.
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    Dec 9, 2009, 09:21 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Altenweg View Post
    Why is this thread in current events and not the Christianity forum?
    Because the reddies would flow like rain from the religious types.
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    Dec 9, 2009, 09:25 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Irrelevant to the point, which was there aren't "billions" of nonreligious people in the world.
    Are the chinese religious? Not really.

    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    And within that 1.1 billion nonreligious people, most would tell everyone else they're doing it wrong. So what's your point?
    Most atheists don't give a crap about what you believe in. However it doesn't take long in a christianity thread before someone tells an atheist that they are going to hell or they don't know the "Truth" (lol!).
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    Dec 9, 2009, 09:31 AM

    Most atheists don't give a crap about what you believe in. However it doesn't take long in a christianity thread before someone tells an atheist that they are going to hell or they don't know the "Truth" (lol!).
    It's not just the Atheists that get told this NK. The Diests, the Jews, Muslims, all groups that don't adhere to the vary narrow views of Christianity are told that they don't know the truth.

    I guess everyone is wrong.
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    Dec 9, 2009, 09:42 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Altenweg View Post
    It's not just the Atheists that get told this NK. The Diests, the Jews... I guess everyone is wrong.
    Hello Alty:

    How can you be the chosen people, and wrong at the same time?

    excon

    PS> I know what it is... I've been chosen to gather, so the Christians can float up to heaven, while I go to hell. Or, I could go to heaven, if I wanted to BE a Christian, but NOT as a "chosen" Jew.

    It's kind of like the Nazis chose the Jews too, and the reason ain't a whole lot different.
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    Dec 9, 2009, 09:46 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Because the reddies would flow like rain from the religious types.
    Funny how you never see the irony in your posts.
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    Dec 9, 2009, 09:49 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello Alty:

    How can you be the chosen people, and wrong at the same time?

    excon

    PS> I know what it is... I've been chosen to gather, so the Christians can float up to heaven, while I go to hell. Or, I could go to heaven, if I wanted to BE a Christian, but NOT as a "chosen" Jew.

    It's kinda like the Nazis chose the Jews too, and the reason ain't a whole lot different.
    Exy, if I had the answers then I'd be in charge. ;)

    If there is a God then he's the only one with the answers, sadly he's not sharing those answers with the rest of us. I wonder why that is? Could it be that he, a God, doesn't really care about the little ant farm he built?

    Now I'm going to get it. Bring it on kids, I'm bored today. ;)
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    Dec 9, 2009, 09:50 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Altenweg View Post
    It's not just the Atheists that get told this NK. The Diests, the Jews, Muslims, all groups that don't adhere to the vary narrow views of Christianity are told that they don't know the truth.

    I guess everyone is wrong.
    NK began his response to this thread with "there is no god," so yes everyone tells everyone they're wrong.
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    Dec 9, 2009, 09:53 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    NK began his response to this thread with "there is no god," so yes everyone tells everyone they're wrong.
    Does he not have the right to an opinion?

    You believe in God, nes pas? So wouldn't you state that as your opinion?

    I don't understand why you're upset about this. Surely the fact the NK doesn't believe in God is not news to you.

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