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Old Dec 6, 2007, 08:23 AM
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It facinates me

As I have stated before I am neither a Democrat or a Republican. I tend to side with whatever side I agree with on a subject or during election time I vote for the person who I believe would do the best job for the county, political affiliation aside. Therefore, this is not an attack on either party, just an observation from a member who reads the political boards pretty religiously, but rarely comments (except for lately).

Republicans seem to play the blame game. The "we did not do it we are the good old boys , blame those Democrats. Yet the Democrats seem to attack the Republicans for not taking ownership of their actions. All the while neither side is very affective, and we (EVERYONE not just the Democrats or just the Republicans) are running the country into the ground.

It seems that things would be much more productive if each would just agree to disagree and try to meet somewhere in the middle. Then maybe decisions could be made, people that they serve could be helped. Put personal agendas aside and realize that the USA needs leaders not figure heads that like to hear themselves talk.

Is that the answer...is there an answer. I honestly don't know.

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Old Dec 7, 2007, 04:59 AM   #21  
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is there an answer. I honestly don't know.
Hello Tuscany:

Term limits would do the trick. Today, once a candidate wins, he starts running again. You can't believe a candidate when he's running. So, when he's representing us, he shouldn't be running again.

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Old Dec 7, 2007, 06:13 AM   #22  
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Tuscany I feel the same way you do regarding sticking to party lines.
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Republicans seem to play the blame game. The "we did not do it we are the good old boys , blame those Democrats. Yet the Democrats seem to attack the Republicans for not taking ownership of their actions.
If the Dems take over, you will see this phenomena completely reversed.

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It seems that things would be much more productive if each would just agree to disagree and try to meet somewhere in the middle. Then maybe decisions could be made, people that they serve could be helped. Put personal agendas aside and realize that the USA needs leaders not figure heads that like to hear themselves talk.
I believe a person has to have an enormous ego to survive for any length of time in the political arena in this country. With that, you are going to get people who are more determined to control things, and less willing to listen to others. We haved moved into a time in which politics has become a true media circus. When FDR was running for President, most of the population didn't have clue the guy was crippled. If he were to campaign today, the first thing we would see when he announced his candidacy is a big picture splashed across the headlines of him sitting in his wheelchair, or being carried by an attendant in a candid moment shot.

If you study the history of this country, we have had much more unrest in the past than we are experiencing now. Just to use one glaring example: Do you think the people who lived during the turbulent years of the Civil War believed we would survive it and manage to piece it back together?

We have had more political unrest than peaceful times. The peaceful happy times are actually a rarity in our history. So, I believe we will get through this and move on, as we always have before. No country has ever, throughout the history of time, been able to fix all the problems that exist within their nation, and create a Utopia on Earth.

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No country has ever, throughout the history of time, been able to fix all the problems that exist within their nation, and create a Utopia on Earth.
I think at this point the american people would accept a little less trampling on the constitution, a little less invasion of their privacy and a little more honesty in their leaders. What's going on now is shameful.
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as I said ;very few people in the US are overly concerned with " invasion of privacy" . What they don't want is getting shot at while shopping in the mall.
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I think at this point the american people would accept a little less trampling on the constitution, a little less invasion of their privacy and a little more honesty in their leaders. What's going on now is shameful.
I agree with you NK. But many people in the U.S. don't. You have seen a number of people on this site both defend Bush's position and argue against it. That is just a small sampling of the population. I have neighbors who are diehard Republicans and/or Democrates who will always stick along party lines and complain about any party in power. I do believe that given time, we will see some of these constitutional changes repealed or adjusted. If the Dems win the White House, as it now stands, they will be in a major position of power because at the moment, they are dominating Capital Hill. If they are smart and can put their egos aside long enough to agree, they will take that window of opportunity and make the adjustments they want, along with pushing new things onto us. Then, when the Reps get back in, those things will change again. It is akin to a long drawn out series of chess matches. Are they doing this for the betterment of our people? In my personal opinion, nah. It is all about control & power and a clashing of egos, and we little ants just have to find a way to go with the flow. The good thing here is that the general populace have more of a voice than many other countries. Maybe one day when more of the citizens get so fed up with all this rhetoric and garbage both sides are feeding us, that they will put aside their personal wants and desires, and unite into a large cohesive anti-Government group they will storm the White House and whole new party will rule. But, I doubt that will happen any time soon.
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The good thing here is that the general populace have more of a voice than many other countries.
I believe that's the real danger here - the populace is quickly losing that voice. Corporations and the rich elite who own them are dictating what you see and hear and omit what you don't need to know.
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: That's a pretty optimistic outlook. Have you read the paper lately?

It has nothing to do with optimism. My opinion has more to do with relying on history. History repeats itself over and over again. We have seen some very major downturns in our history, and we have seen some upturns. But, if you would rather think that we are on the precipice of a completely new era, be my guest. I actually do agree with parttime's post earlier on this thread. But, I don't think we will see it in our lifetime or the not too distant future. It is "down the road apiece".
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as I said ;very few people in the US are overly concerned with " invasion of privacy" . What they don't want is getting shot at while shopping in the mall.
Hello again, tom:

Actually, there are quite a few people concerned about "invasion of privacy". They just don't happen to run in your circles.

I think you'll see just how many DO care in this next election.

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Tom: To add to excon's comment - trivializing the issue is exactly how your rights and privacies get eroded.

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Hello again, Ruby:

I actually think your opinions are very grounded. You make GOOD sense, and you know I think so too......

But..... I was just testing to see if you were reading....

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