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    #161

    Sep 1, 2013, 11:54 AM
    Yeah I get it by the mute reaction from the left over the emperor's wars . It was never the wars they opposed... it was Bush
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    #162

    Sep 1, 2013, 12:17 PM
    What mute reaction? Even you guys have posted comments from democrats. You contradict yourself all the time. The emperor hasn't started any wars yet.
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    #163

    Sep 1, 2013, 12:59 PM
    Britain, Canada and Germany are opposed, France supports and it looks like the sheep in the U.S. congress will give Obama the go ahead to bomb Syria. I hope it does't happen but it looks almost certain now.
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    #164

    Sep 1, 2013, 02:36 PM
    Text of draft resolution for authorization to use force, submitted to Congress .
    Whereas, on August 21, 2013, the Syrian government carried out a chemical weapons attack in the suburbs of Damascus, Syria, killing more than 1,000 innocent Syrians;

    Whereas these flagrant actions were in violation of international norms and the laws of war;

    Whereas the United States and 188 other countries comprising 98 percent of the world's population are parties to the Chemical Weapons Convention, which prohibits the development, production, acquisition, stockpiling or use of chemical weapons;

    Whereas, in the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2003, Congress found that Syria's acquisition of weapons of mass destruction threatens the security of the Middle East and the national security interests of the United States;

    Whereas the United Nations Security Council, in Resolution 1540 (2004), affirmed that the proliferation of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons constitutes a threat to international peace and security;

    Whereas, the objective of the United States' use of military force in connection with this authorization should be to deter, disrupt, prevent, and degrade the potential for, future uses of chemical weapons or other weapons of mass destruction;

    Whereas, the conflict in Syria will only be resolved through a negotiated political settlement, and Congress calls on all parties to the conflict in Syria to participate urgently and constructively in the Geneva process; and

    Whereas, unified action by the legislative and executive branches will send a clear signal of American resolve.

    SEC. ___ AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES

    (a) Authorization. -- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in connection with the use of chemical weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in the conflict in Syria in order to --

    (1) prevent or deter the use or proliferation (including the transfer to terrorist groups or other state or non-state actors), within, to or from Syria, of any weapons of mass destruction, including chemical or biological weapons or components of or materials used in such weapons; or

    (2) protect the United States and its allies and partners against the threat posed by such weapons.

    (b) War Powers Resolution Requirements. --

    (1) Specific Statutory Authorization. -- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.

    (2) Applicability of other requirements. -- Nothing in this joint resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution
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    Text of Obama's draft legislation - CNN.com
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    #165

    Sep 1, 2013, 03:07 PM
    Whereas the United Nations Security Council, in Resolution 1540 (2004), affirmed that the proliferation of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons constitutes a threat to international peace and security;
    Syria could be practice for Iran.
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    #166

    Sep 1, 2013, 03:49 PM
    Yes Iran needs the practice, whatever is done the possibility of a wider conflicit is large. Syria and Iran are allies, this isn't Iraq standing alone. BO is making sure his a$$ is covered before he acts
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    #167

    Sep 1, 2013, 03:54 PM
    Then why not cut out the middle man ? If we are lobbing tomahawks and bunker busters anyway...
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    #168

    Sep 1, 2013, 03:59 PM
    Now Tom you know you can't chew gum and spit at the same time. If Afghanistan and Iraq taught you anything it is that you need to be focused on one objective at at time, You are not out of Afghanistan and you want to start another conflict... get real, you are already overstretched with the commitments you have.

    If you want to take on Syria it will have to be all in not that halfarsed approach you had with Libya. You can't just do a punative strike and walk away and in any case the possibility of killing civilians is high
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    #169

    Sep 1, 2013, 05:36 PM
    The probability is also high they make a mistake and take Assad out too! OOPS,
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    #170

    Sep 1, 2013, 07:47 PM
    Yes that is an option
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    #171

    Sep 2, 2013, 01:44 AM
    The road to Damascus leads through Tehran .
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    #172

    Sep 2, 2013, 02:36 AM
    There are two ways to get there Tom you could try travilling from west to east in which case you could be there tomorrow
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    #173

    Sep 3, 2013, 07:30 AM
    Kerry caught using doctored information

    EconomicPolicyJournal.com: Kerry Caught Using Fake Photo to Fuel Syrian War

    He did quickly backstep after being called out on it...

    Used photos from Iraq... as if there wasn't enough stuff from Syria.

    Makes you wonder about everything else they are claiming.
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    #174

    Sep 3, 2013, 07:56 AM
    Lurch didn't have a very good weekend.
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    #175

    Sep 3, 2013, 08:02 AM
    Hello again, wingers:

    Yeah, Obama sucks.. Nonetheless, should we BOMB Syria, or should we NOT? THAT is the question that NOBODY wants to answer...

    I'll answer. YES! Bomb that Mf'er. Will YOU go on record?? Nahhh, you won't. You, like the mealy mouths in congress, want to see which way the wind is blowing first..

    excon
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    #176

    Sep 3, 2013, 08:04 AM
    I see excon wants to help Al Queda and Iran take over Syria... because anything you do against Assad will help those two groups... and as bad as he is... they are worse.
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    #177

    Sep 3, 2013, 08:13 AM
    Hello again,

    I see smoothy wants to support one of Israel's worst enemy's.

    excon
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    #178

    Sep 3, 2013, 08:25 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, wingers:

    Yeah, Obama sucks.. Nonetheless, should we BOMB Syria, or should we NOT? THAT is the question that NOBODY wants to answer...

    I'll answer. YES! Bomb that Mf'er. Will YOU go on record??? Nahhh, you won't. You, like the mealy mouths in congress, wanna see which way the wind is blowing first..

    excon
    I'm just busy watching the irony, as in Rand Paul asking, “How do you ask a man to be the first one to die for a mistake?”

    I don't care which way the wind blows, Assad is bad news and should be punished. I just want to know what the objective is. If it's to lob a few missiles to cover for Obama's loose lips then no. If we're going to use our military then they need to kick some a$$ and for a good reason.
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    #179

    Sep 3, 2013, 08:51 AM
    Hello wishy washy Steve:
    “How do you ask a man to be the first one to die for a mistake?”
    Bush had no trouble asking 4,000 Americans to shed their lives... The irony is that Rand Paul is a peacenik, and you're NOT.

    Me neither... I'll bet you and I would agree on what constitutes "punishment", though.. Obama wants to "limit" punishment.. I don't know HOW you do that..

    Excon
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    #180

    Sep 3, 2013, 08:55 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    I see smoothy wants to support one of Israel's worst enemy's.

    excon
    RIght... Al Queda and Iran are Israels friends? When did that happen? I didn't get the memo.

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